Should Women Support Snow White?

11 Apr

By Open Book

You may have recognized the number of fairy tale movies being produced in Hollywood this year. Two films centered on Snow White and another on Sleeping Beauty. Yet, there is a tradition in literature where the female antagonist is the powerful, sexual, wicked older woman.[1] Really? What a way to marginalize women. All these films cast “older” Oscar winning actresses as the evil stepmother. So far we have Mirror, Mirror evil stepmother played by Julia Roberts, Snow White and the Huntsman with wicked, Charlize Theron and finishing up the evil older women crew is Angelina Jolie in Maleficent due out March 2014.  Looking at the media today young girls and women might get the impression women over the age of 30 are evil and jealous of young girls?  Why should society support films that put women at odds with one another and play on their insecurities?

Here’s some startling information regarding women’s portrayal in Hollywood. According to an article on Our Bodies Ourselves states;

  • Most of the women we see in the media are young and white. Hollywood movies rarely feature women over forty, and the older women we do see represented in the media, from movie stars to news anchors and even politicians, look much younger, thanks to plastic surgery. As a result, those of us who choose to age naturally, without the aid of plastic surgery, are sometimes seen as “letting ourselves go.” [2]

Many women and young girls are being sold their only value are their physical attributes.  Women are not being encouraged to promote their intelligence. Here is some more information regarding how advertising is used to feed our insecurities.

  • “The average American sees three thousand ads per day. Almost all commercial media aimed at women are supported by advertising revenue from the fashion, beauty, diet, and food industries, and their survival depends on their ability to please their sponsors. Magazine editors, in a fierce competition for readers, know that to make a sale, they need only play on our doubts or create new ones, making us think we have “problems” that don’t really exist (“What’s He Really Thinking When He Sees You Naked?”). Every part of the female body is picked apart and scrutinized, with most articles telling us outright which products we should buy to fix–or at least camouflage–our numerous “flaws.” [3]

The studios like Walt Disney and Universal who are producing these fairy-tale films. What are they communicating to young girls and women today?  According to an article by Kristy Logan entitled The Problem with Fairy Tales, states,

  • The myth of prince as savior makes Snow White a story of heterosexual male dominance: women need men, and without them will attempt to destroy one another. It also teaches women that they should not worry about being educated, intelligent or amusing; all they have to do is be pretty and wait.[4]

The words “fairy tale” translate as perfect for many.  Young girls and women already have a false image of themselves in the media. Women are encouraged to compete instead of work together. How do fairy tales empower women?

Please join our discussion Thursday 4/12/2012@7pmE/12UTC


[3]  Jean Kilbourne, Deadly Persuasion: Why Women and Girls Must Fight the Addictive Power of Advertising (New York: The Free Press, 1999), 27, 58.

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96 Responses to “Should Women Support Snow White?”

  1. Comic Relief April 11, 2012 at 7:11 AM #

    This is a fantastic article.

  2. 4string April 11, 2012 at 7:41 AM #

    I do have to say that when people see Charlize on screen, they’re going to think she’s the beautiful one and not who we’re supposed to (per directors, etc). lol I also don’t see how anyone could ever mistake Jolie as an old crone. I’m meh on Julia Roberts. Not really a fan. Could they be trying to break tradition by casting these stunning women as to break the ‘ugly stepmother’ (for lack of a better word) stereotype?

    I wasn’t aware there’s another Sleeping Beauty coming out.

  3. littlebells April 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM #

    Hahaha! I was just reading about Jolie as Maleficent last night! Great article. I won’t be at the discussion because I will be at The Happiest Place on Earth. However I will get caught up because I know this will be a great discussion.

    4string– yeah I’m kinda meh about Roberts too. I can’t see past the persona. Oh well.

  4. littlebells April 11, 2012 at 11:43 AM #

    Oh man! Those quotes are FANTASTIC!!!

    I often wonder how these fairy tales would continue. Would Cinderella do anything other than dance around a ballroom and look beautiful? Does Snow white just take walks in the woods. And what about Aurora? She really didn’t do a whole lot in Sleeping Beauty. Are their princes’ control freaks and never let them hang out with friends? Are they always away fighting off some dragon or something? Are.they actually decent good men?

    I would like to think that their happily ever afters would consist of these women educating themselves and being equal with their partner. Maybe they take up together hobbies like archery and glass blowing. Hahaha!

    As far as having evil women in these fairy tales, it seems they are jealous of the younger generation and the two need to meet with a therapist and work out their issues. And why dies it have to be a woman? Why not a man? Why not just an evil force?
    At least in SB, Maleficent is just ticked off she wasn’t invited to the party of all parties. She wasn’t a hater of the pretty. And to be honest.Cinderella’s story is pretty common in real life. A lot of step sibling/child rivalry for attention.

    • Open Book April 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM #

      LB- U Said: “And why does it have to be a woman? Why not a man? Why not just an evil force?”

      A: ITA….All these fairy-tales films coming out fail to subvert. I just don’t see why women should support their adversary.

      • 4string April 11, 2012 at 1:13 PM #

        However, on one hand Ariel is the one who saved the prince in The Little Mermaid. He was actually in love with her voice rather than her looks.

        • littlebells April 11, 2012 at 3:01 PM #

          She is one tough cookie 4 string. 🙂

        • Open Book April 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM #

          4string-I love u!! This is fun.

          Ah! Yes! Little Mermaid….Q: Why was her costume not reflective of how serious she took her singing? Meaning she was very well endowed. Yet, she could not find larger shells to keep from worrying if the girls might fall out if she took a deep breath?

  5. Open Book April 11, 2012 at 12:23 PM #

    Hi 4string, LB & CR-

    CR-Thank U!

    4string-U are hilarious. Yes, it was announced yesterday that AJ would be in Sleeping Beauty its due out in 2014. U asked: “Could they be trying to break tradition by casting these stunning women as to break the ‘ugly stepmother’ (for lack of a better word) stereotype?”

    A: Perhaps! Yet, my big question why are women at odds with one another at all? And for what? To win the Prince affection? Don’t get me wrong I love men “let me count the ways.” However, Why can’t women be self-sufficient and equal intellectually and financially? Come on this is not the 50’s. Again women’s obsession with Twilight and 50 SOG to me is an indication women have internalized these negative images and messages being dulled out by advertisers to make women insecure enough to buy their products.

    LB-Gosh! All great questions I will have to come back and answer and don’t get me started on Sleeping Beauty. I think all these fairy tales do women a great disservice and don’t do anything to empower young girls. Its sad these Oscar winning actresses over 30 roles are so limited. They are obviously smart enough to sustain their career all this time and this is the content they are being given?

    • 4string April 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM #

      I know I keep playing devil’s advocate (I always tend to do that), but some women have pointed out that stuff like Twilight, 50 Shades, Pretty Woman are escapist and not meant to be a treatise on society. Most women nowadays are highly educated and successful and going toe to toe with men in everyday life. There’s still a part of all of us (I would imagine a guy might have this need too but I’m a woman so I don’t know for sure–LOL) who want to let ourselves take a break and be taken care of. For example, a good friend of mine (a woman) is an oncologist (cancer doc). When she reads for pleasure, she only reads stuff like Twilight or romances. She says her job is so intense and she’s usually reading medical journals. Stuff like Twilight is a way for her to decompress. By the way, she’s the breadwinner in her family and her husband is the Mr Mom. I’ve heard of similar funny stories of medical residents (male and female) reading garbage novels on their breaks in the lounge. If I was dealing with life or death, that’s certainly what I’d be reading if I wasn’t reading a med journal.

      • littlebells April 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM #

        Very valid points and I’m glad you brought this up. Sometimes we do need no brainer books and movies to let our overworked, stressed out brains relax. I have more to say but I hate typing on my phone. 😦

        • Open Book April 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM #

          Big Hugs! U are amazing @ typing on your phone.

      • Open Book April 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM #

        4string-

        So here’s where I put the ball back in your court. What about young girls today? These fairy-tales films are being sold to teen girls and boys, not the educated women u are talking about. We can agree our education system is poor in this country right? If young girls are being sold through Twilight, Snow White and Sleeping Beauty these negative messages about aging etc… How are young men going to react to girls when they begin to age or don’t reflect what they see on screen?

        • Open Book April 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM #

          More importantly. What are young girls going to do to their bodies when reduced to their physical attributes?

          • 4string April 11, 2012 at 5:38 PM #

            I’m still going to play devil’s advocate. Men are also judged by their looks. Unless someone is without sight, it’s impossible not to make a first impression on someone at first sight. Actually anorexia among males is on the rise. I’ve got a headache and don’t really feel like going into some drawn out explanation. My MA is in communications and studied visual mediums and even did my thesis on magazine covers (totally simplifying here). Yes, I can get why people might have issues with them (I’m not saying they are good–just trying to show a different point of view and probably the unpopular one since I doubt anyone else will bring up these points). I think sometimes we try to over think everything. Why can’t entertainment be entertainment for entertainment’s sake? That’s basically what I’m saying. Why do we have to go into semiotics just to see a film?

            I actually think men are judged just as harshly by their looks. You’re not going to see a guy like Steve Buscemi (I’m sure I spelled that wrong) on the cover of GQ or Details. He’s also never going to be a leading man no matter how talented he is. Even in marketing rock bands, the publicity folks want to have at least one ‘hot guy’ to put out front for show. Seth Rogen had to lose major weight before he finally wasn’t cast as the ‘funny fat guy.’ Oh well. I’ll stop rambling now.

            • Open Book April 11, 2012 at 6:36 PM #

              4string-Fair enough and I understand your argument. Yet, I go back to young girls and boys? What message are we sending them? There is a cause and effect to everything.

              U Said: “Why do we have to go into semiotics just to see a film?”

              A: “We” adults owe it to kids to be responsible for what we produce and serve them IMO!! I’m sure u know this given your educational pursuits. However, teens spend more time watching TV, films and on the Internet then reading books. Also, how are kids going to develop critical thinking skills to combat the negative images and messages given our educational system is so poor in this country? This is why parents can’t check out and sit back and expect Hollywood to do their thinking for them. Otherwise young girls and boys when they get older (like u said) will develop eating disorders etc. to fit some impossible standards established by the media. Adults can change Hollywood with their money.

              • Open Book April 11, 2012 at 6:40 PM #

                P.S. I like u playing devils advocate.

                • 4string April 11, 2012 at 7:17 PM #

                  Thanks. I wasn’t sure if I was going to get steamrolled. 😉 I really think I should have been a lawyer. I’m pretty good at arguing almost any side whether I agree with it or not. lol Or maybe I’m difficult. I’m sure my mom would say it’s the latter. Heh heh. I’ve been this way from infancy I think. My sis was more go-with-the-flow where I’m the one who’s always wanting to challenge the mainstream (for lack of a better word) opinion.

                  • Open Book April 11, 2012 at 7:40 PM #

                    U said: “I’m the one who’s always wanting to challenge the mainstream (for lack of a better word) opinion.”

                    key word u mentioned “challenge.” U should not have told me this. We are going to get along just swell. LOL!!

                    Q: Do u like watching political debates?

                    • 4string April 11, 2012 at 7:45 PM #

                      Actually, no. They give me headaches. lol I do watch them for the presidential election, but I’m always cringing. (I do most of my candidate research on my own.) I also hate those shows like Meet the Press, etc where people are constantly talking over each other. I’m a weird dichotomy. I know. 😉 My dad would watch those shows and I’d say, “How can you understand what’s going on when they just yell at each other?” Tee hee

                    • Open Book April 11, 2012 at 8:11 PM #

                      LOL!! I hear ya!

                      Do u like CSpan? There’s less screaming.

                      http://www.c-span.org/.

  6. Open Book April 11, 2012 at 12:59 PM #

    Q: To Everyone- I have a few questions.

    What fairy-tale stories do u know that could empower women?

    Do u think Snow White would be good story if it was set in 2012?

    Who would Snow White be if she were modernized for today?

    Could Snow White and the Stepmother team up to end the deficit and reform Health Care in this country?

    • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 7:25 PM #

      You asked these questions yesterday, I did not know what to say. Things haven’t changed much today, yet here’s a shot.

      OB: What fairy-tale stories do u know that could empower women?
      CR: I’m not sure fairytales were intended to do this, yet I think young girls would benefit if they did.

      OB: Do u think Snow White would be good story if it was set in 2012?
      CR: No, originally “Snow White” was a complimentary reference to character’s skin color. I assume we are too mature and tolerant to think this sort of discussion is healthy or acceptable today.

      OB: Who would Snow White be if she were modernized for today?
      CR: If you look at my previous answer, today I think we should move beyond this kind of categorization and evaluation. Everyone can be beautiful without reference to skin color.

      OB: Could Snow White and the Stepmother team up to end the deficit and reform Health Care in this country?
      CR: I doubt they would do anything constructive.

      • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 7:38 PM #

        LOL! This is funny and fair enough. Thanks for answering my Q’s.

        • ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 8:29 PM #

          I have to agree with CR’s answers!

  7. Comic Relief April 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM #

    Sorry can’t address the questions right now…

    I think the most horrible thing referred to in the article is because they passed the expiration date we’re already ready to retire some the best actresses in the industry.

    Julia Roberts: “PRETTY WOMAN”

    Julia Roberts: “Notting Hill”

    Julia Roberts: “Erin Brockovich”

  8. Comic Relief April 11, 2012 at 1:04 PM #

    Charlize Theron: ‘Young Adult”

    Charlize Theron: “Monster”

    Charlize Theron: “The Astronaut’s Wife”

  9. Comic Relief April 11, 2012 at 1:05 PM #

    Angelina Jolie: “Salt”

    Angelina Jolie: “Changeling”

    Angelina Jolie: “Girl, Interrupted”

  10. littlebells April 11, 2012 at 7:11 PM #

    Fabulous discussion ladies and I agree with both your points of view! I just rolled into La La Land and am getting settled in. You are both such intelligent women and I love the discussion you have created. I’m hoping to pop in later this evening.

    And OB, thanks for the phone typing kudos. hahaha!!! On the laptop now and gave it a big ole hug when I pulled it out of my bag.

    • Open Book April 11, 2012 at 8:02 PM #

      LB- No problem. I happen to be on the site doing technical stuff today, so 4-string caught me at a good time. Plus, u know me, I could not pass on a possible debate. TTYS!

  11. Open Book April 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM #

    Hello Everyone-

    Welcome new and returning visitors to our discussion tonight. Please feel free to ask questions or comment.

    • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 7:03 PM #

      Hi OB.

      • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 7:04 PM #

        Hi CR!

        How are u?

        • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 7:17 PM #

          Very good, thanks for asking.

  12. Open Book April 12, 2012 at 7:04 PM #

    This was sent to me today. Please read and let me know your thoughts about the article and about the topic we are discussing today?

    http://shine.yahoo.com/beauty/ashley-judd-slams-media-nasty-misogynistic-comments-her-201900837.html

    • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 7:20 PM #

      While u are reading. Let me say what’s very interesting were the comments in response to Ashley Judd.

      I found it very telling how people view women over 30.

      • ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 7:23 PM #

        I’ve always liked Ashley Judd. She’s a very intelligent woman.

        • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 7:32 PM #

          I like AJ too! Did u read any of the responses below the article? Also what do u think about Hollywood doing all these fairy tale films where women are at odd with each other?

          • ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 8:26 PM #

            I’ve spent quite a long time reading the comments, lol! I’m gald that the majority are positive but I’m still sad to see a few negative ones. The one about biology was interesting though.

            As for the movies, its annoying me in many ways. I understand it’s the in thing now to somewhat modernise fairy tales. Done well, they’re enjoyable (i.e. Alice in Wonderland), but the majority aren’t. If it were just one or two, the message would be somewhat tolerable and easier to not focus on. But the market is flooded with them so it’s putting more emphasis on it. And the majority aren’t that well modernised. It’s all well and good making the damsel in distress the warrior but in my view that falls short. You have to also modernise the enemy and what’s at stake too. Into what I do not know, but these remakes feel flat. It’s like an attempt to make women more stronger but only to a certain point. I hope I’m making sense, lol!

      • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 7:23 PM #

        OB,

        That was a terrible article. But to be honest; I know a lot of people who act like Hollywood is a beauty contest, that has a talent section that lasts way too long.

        Frequently bloggers will try to end debates by saying one actor or another is ugly. As though that should trump any other arguement.

      • 4string April 12, 2012 at 7:52 PM #

        Since I always play the devil’s advocate, if a man was accused of being ‘poofy’, would it not be misogynistic? I think a male actor would be called on it too (and they do get called out on physical stuff too–like having a big gut, etc). I think she got too defensive about something that most people would not have noticed if she didn’t bring attention to it.

        • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 8:14 PM #

          The truth is both leading female and male actors are judged on their looks these days. Yet, it depends on what type of actor they are striving to become? My point is until women are being treated equally as leading men in HW they are still being devalued. Also, I think consumers need to come to terms with viewing a persons outward appearance equal to their self worth. Because u can be beautiful outside and ugly inside IMO!!

          • 4string April 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM #

            My main point here is not whether it’s right or wrong to be judged on looks (it is wrong, but since we are a visual people in general, it’s largely unavoidable), but that it knows no gender boundaries. You def can be ugly on the inside and pretty on the outside regardless of gender.

            • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 8:31 PM #

              4string-Here’s my point. Fairy tales are not being sold to adults who can use reason and critical evaluations etc.. Where u and I disagree. Should these negative messages about jealousy over looks and aging be fed to kids? Especially when some kids don’t have parents like u to explain these negative stereotypes are not healthy? Does that make sense?

              • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 8:51 PM #

                Makes sense to me OB. But honestly all adults aren’t capable of processing these stories. We hear of people who watch situations on television and the media and get really weird ideas about their own relationships to these events. Subsequently their behavior can be quite dangerous, weird or sometimes even anti-social.



  13. ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 7:22 PM #

    Hi all!

    Great article OB! I find myself nodding with agreement! 🙂

    • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 7:24 PM #

      Hi Ozzie!

    • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 7:30 PM #

      Hi Ozzie!

      Thank U! How are u?

      • ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 7:46 PM #

        Hi OB and CR!

        Urgh, it has not been a good week or so! Half of my family and friends have been ill. Normally, only one or two get sick at a time so this is unheard of here. It’s like an epidemic or something, lol! So the well half have been running around like mad things while looking after them all. Now I’ve got it!

        How are you two?

        • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 7:51 PM #

          Yuck! Yeah…I think its allergy season too. Not fun! I hope u feel better Oz!

        • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 7:53 PM #

          Other than hay fever I’m cool. Around where I live people get sick because it’s not clear what season it is. Sometimes it’s spring, sometimes it’s winter.

          • ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM #

            Thanks! Good point about the climate CR! I hadn’t thought about that. We’ve gone from it being freezing cold (it was snowing at the beginning of the month!) to it being none stop raining with no middle ground between the two. A nasty stomach bug could be down to that, I think!

            You have my full sympathy with the hay fever CR! I hate it!

  14. Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 7:40 PM #

    Open Book, earlier you seemed to emply fairytales should be empowering to women. I really do not read children’s fiction yet I presume that empowering material might be found there. Without regurgitating your article how do the movies you discussed reject or reinforce the messages of those books?

    • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 7:49 PM #

      CR-

      One of the articles I referenced for this topic highlights some of the problems with Snow White and fairy tales in general. Here is some critical evaluation of the three contemporary retellings of Snow White and Sleeping Beauty that have been adapted set to open in theaters.

      “The myth suggests that there are only two courses available to women: being beautiful and loved, but powerless; or being powerful, but hated and ultimately destroyed. By continuing to write the characters in these binary roles, writers are failing to confront the woman-against-woman message underlying the myth. Donoghue’s subversion suggests a way out of this bind, by letting the characters elevate themselves above this shallow jealousy.”

      http://www.themillions.com/2010/03/the-problem-with-fairy-tales.html

      • ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 8:43 PM #

        Wow, that article was exactly what I was trying to say above, except much more eloquently and less rambling on than mine, lol!

        • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 9:01 PM #

          OZ! LOL!! U are being too critical. When I saw this article I thought of u because its so well researched and substantial like your articles.

          • ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM #

            Lol, thank you!

    • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 7:57 PM #

      My big issue with SW is the fact HW are putting women in cat fights over beauty? Really? Also, u have the older women jealous over the younger? Its sad this crap is being served up to kids. Especially after reading what AJ has had to deal with. I find these fairy tales completely ridiculous and irresponsible. IMO!!

      • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 8:01 PM #

        OB,

        I read the article….

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        …. thank God, you’re never finished.

        • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 8:02 PM #

          This is a horrible question to ask, but given the unhealthy content how is it that professionals can be encouraged to participate in these productions?

          • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 8:37 PM #

            I’m not sure I understand your Q CR? What do u mean by

            “how is it that professionals can be encouraged to participate in these productions?”

            • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 9:01 PM #

              Sorry, for not being clear. I can’t say I love everthing all of these women have ever done, but winning an Oscar is a huge achievement for all of these women. Why would Julia, Charlize, or Angelina sign up for these demeaning roles? Why would Lily Collins or Kristin Stuart sign up to conquer women who should be their mentors?

              • 4string April 13, 2012 at 9:11 AM #

                Kristen would sign up because she’ll take any role she can get. lol

  15. 4string April 12, 2012 at 7:57 PM #

    I see the theme of ‘why are women being put at odds with each other?’ comments. However, in many movies, man are also at odds with each other. Just look at most comic book movies or any movie for that matter. Most of the time it’s male protagonist against male antagonist. I should just refer to myself as the ‘devil’ on here since I take the opposite side for the sake of debate. I know it won’t be a view shown otherwise, IMO, because it’s not the PC or popular one. 😉

    • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM #

      Hi 4string!

      • 4string April 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM #

        Hola! I won’t be able to participate for long. So my unpopular opinions won’t be around for too long. LOL I’m the odd person who likes to ruffle feathers. It doesn’t help that my 7 year old has been acting like she’s already got PMS (Yes, I’d say that even if she were a boy–hormones and mood swings know no gender–heh heh). Arg. From the time I put her on the bus this morning to helping/forcing her to do her homework tonight… sigh… I’m rambling. Stop the insanity! (Early 90s Susan Powter reference)

        • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 8:24 PM #

          Ah! Well I have enough to keep me going. LOL!!

          This was fun again. Take Care!

    • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 8:05 PM #

      Hi 4string!

      LOL!! I was hoping u join us. Nice to see u.

      Let’s see. Hmm! Yes, ITA men are put at odds with one another. However, how often do u have it centering around their virility? Most often u see older men being celebrated for their intelligence and young men are poor and stupid. My point is in all these situations women are never equal with these men. The women are always poor, sex kittens looking for the older man to rescue and take care of her. 50 SOG and Twilight are both prime examples of this.

      • 4string April 12, 2012 at 8:12 PM #

        It’s the same way with men, IMO. Usually the ‘bad’ guy is traditionally less attractive than the hero. In the case of these Snow Whites and the Sleeping Beauty, it’s a deal of the ‘evil’ being just as pretty as the ‘good.’ There’s no way on earth anyone can tell me Kristen Stewart is more beautiful physically than Charlize. LOL I’d fall down laughing if anyone argued otherwise. 🙂

        • 4string April 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM #

          I’m all about equal opportunity badness. 🙂 heh heh

          • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 8:22 PM #

            LOL!! That’s all find and good if women were getting paid equally to men in HW. This is the real problem.

            • 4string April 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM #

              I agree–equal pay for equal work is my thing. Usually what an actor/actress gets paid is usually corresponding to the $ they bring in to the BO (there can be another PhD dissertation written on that too–LOL). It does seem that most actors (gender neutral term here) enjoy playing the bad buy more than the good one. The villain usually has a better backstory and more layers, to be honest.

              • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 8:51 PM #

                Again if more women were directing, writing and in leadership positions in HW then playing roles that don’t devalue women or put women at odds with one another would be fine. Yet, because the media plays on women’s insecurities to brain wash them into buying their products. Its sad these fairy tale films are going after a new generation to keep women enslaved and believing its their looks not their brains that matter.

  16. Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM #

    I almost never hear guys fighting over who is the most attractive. In general, that’s considered poor brotherly behavior. Regardless of whether the guy doesn’t really believe it or not, the guy is more like to say “good for you man.”

    • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 8:33 PM #

      Don’t get me wrong I think guys can as spiteful, petty, jealous, and selfish as women (at their worst). But guys definitely lose points for overt negative behavior toward other guys in general. And yes, this is even the case when the competition for women is fierce.

  17. 4string April 12, 2012 at 8:36 PM #

    I do want to say that the ‘opinions’ I’m giving are not necessarily my own. I’m merely offering the opinion I did not think I would see here. 😉 I think I really should have been a lawyer. Heh heh. Instead, after getting my bachelor degree, I got my MA in communication. However, I am now the handmaiden to a 7 year old female who will probably wind up ruling the world. Ask me how I feel tomorrow. Ha ha!

    • ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 8:51 PM #

      I don’t think there are any problems here with thinking the opposite opinion here. This site is here to help people question and think more indepently than what is fed to us by Hollywood. Even we need the oposite opinions raised so we have a well rounded debate. It helps us to be more open minded and aware of other things than our own opinion. I often think of the other side too. 🙂

      • Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 9:03 PM #

        Excellent job, Ozzie. Thank you, I’m not sure anyone could have said it better.

        • ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 9:40 PM #

          You’re welcome! Although do want to take a red pen and correct all my spelling mistakes in it. Jeez, there are alot, lol! *hangs head in shame*

          • Open Book April 12, 2012 at 10:12 PM #

            LOL!! Oz! Love u! Hope u feel better.

      • Open Book April 13, 2012 at 7:07 AM #

        Great job Oz!

        If I may add. We’ve noticed with Twitter and other gossip sites, they often provide consumers the vehicle to make very bias, false accusations without providing research or evidence to back up their claims. As u well know, in a court of law a case can be thrown out without substantial evidence to support a defense or argument. At LIH we hope to empower consumers by challenging the status quo. All of our writers believe in substantiating arguments and debates with scholarly research and evidence (in our articles and discussions) so consumers can make educated decisions on their own based on evidence provided. With this objective approach, we hope to bridge the gap between producers and consumers and provide a healthy well-informed, dialogue for change.

        With this discussion and like many others we’ve had on LIH the misrepresentation of women in the media is real and should not be ignored. However, I want to thank everyone for commenting and opening up the dialogue, which I hope has provided our new and returning visitors with a better understanding about the issues.

  18. Comic Relief April 12, 2012 at 9:08 PM #

    Well, gotta go everyone.

    Excellent article OB.

    See everyone later.

    • ozzie20 April 12, 2012 at 9:47 PM #

      Bye everyone! It’s been a fun discussion which has kept my mind off of the sick and dizzy feelings. A double win, in my opinion, lol! 🙂

  19. Open Book April 12, 2012 at 9:58 PM #

    I find debating often get a bad rep. Many believe debating should involve screaming, yelling, name calling like u see on TV. IMO Those tactics are used to create diversions to keep u from thinking. LIH believes in sharing different ideas and opinions. We just want people not to take it personal if someone has a different opinion because the goal is to learn from each other not to shut down conversation.

    Everyone-Thanks for coming. This has been a great discussion tonight. I will try and come back later and answer more questions if u have them.

  20. 4string April 13, 2012 at 9:08 AM #

    Speaking of Disney and fairytales, I’d totally watch this show:

    The Real Housewives of Disney

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