By Open Book
In March 2011 Summit Entertainment reported a fan hacked into their computers and stole discarded footage and leaked them onto the Internet from the film Breaking Dawn: Part 1, which is scheduled for domestic release November 18th, 2011. Apparently, the stolen footage was of the awaited sex scene between Edward and Bella.[1] The Twilight Saga, once hailed for promoting abstinence among teens is being blamed for creating Die-Hard’s who’ve become obsessed with sex, so much so they are illegally hacking into computers to get a glimpse. What happened? In this article we will explore the issues of virtue as it’s defined in 1918 America the year Edward Cullen (portrayed by actor Robert Pattinson) first became a vampire. Then look into how virtue, marriage and sexual liberty are viewed today by teens from Bella Swans perspective.
Edward Cullen’s Perspective:
In the book Eclipse the character Edward Cullen played by actor Robert Pattinson. Gives Bella a reason why he wants to wait to marry before consummating their relationship. Edward states;
“You know that I’ve stolen, I’ve lied, I’ve coveted my virtue is all I have left.” pg. 434
“Do you get the feeling everything is backward? He laughed in my ear. “Traditionally, shouldn’t you be arguing my side, and I yours?” pg 451.
The last statement is Edward highlighting the irony of Bella wanting sex before marriage. So how did teens in 1918 America view marriage and sex? According to an article from the Daily Beast entitled A Brief History of Sex Ed in America it states,[2]
“In 1913, Chicago became the first major city to implement sex end for high schools. The program didn’t last long, though. The Catholic Church soon launched a campaign against the initiative, helping force Ella Flagg Young, the superintendent of schools, to resign.
It took rampant STDs during WWI to get the federal government involved in sex ed. In 1918, Congress passed The Chamberlain-Kahn Act, which allocated money to educate soldiers about syphilis and gonorrhea. During this time, Americans began to view sex ed as a public-health issue.”
It’s fair to assume Edward who was from Chicago may have been exposed to some of these ideas. However, in another article from the Victoria & Albert Museum called Sex & Sexuality in the 19th century exposes how sex and marriage was culturally viewed in the Victorian era,
“In line with the physiological idea of the body as a closed system of energy, male sexual ‘expenditure’ and especially ‘excess’ (spermatorrhea) were said to cause enfeeblement. Thus it was seriously held, for example, that sexual appetite was incompatible with mental distinction and that procreation impaired artistic genius. Men were vigorously counseled to conserve vital health by avoiding fornication, masturbation and nocturnal emissions (for which a variety of devices were invented) and by rationing sex within marriage.”
Bella Swan’s Perspective:
Also in the book Eclipse we get introduced to how Bella perceives sex, marriage and aging. Bella’s poor self-image is further illustrated in New Moon on her eighteenth birthday where she is horrified when her father Charlie jokes about her getting a gray hair. In reading many of her statements made to Jacob and Edward in Eclipse one should wonder? What do they see in her? Here are a few choice statements,
In reference to Bella aging she states,
“Am I the only one who has to get old? I get older every stinking day!” I nearly shrieked, throwing my hands in the air. pg. 119
She goes on to say:
“Damn it! What kind of world is this? Where’s the justice?” pg. 119
In reference to how Bella feels about marriage and sex Bella states,
“So you can ask for any stupid, ridiculous thing you want—–like getting married——-but I’m not allowed to even discuss what I——“ pg. 443
She goes onto say…
“That’s it, isn’t it?” The short laugh that escaped me was more shocked than amused. “You’re trying to protect your virtue!” I covered my mouth with my hand the giggle that followed. The words were so…old fashioned. pg. 453
Stephanie Myer’s wrote this character to despise aging. What message does this send to teen girls whose body image is already depicted falsely in fashion magazines and in films? Add to that Bella’s aversion to marriage yet, desperate to have sex. In other words today sex among teens is seen as recreation instead of building ones self-esteem. Perhaps this is why teen pregnancy in America is so high? It’s said the United States has the highest rates of teen pregnancy and births in the western industrialized world according to Teen Pregnancy Stats, Facts and Prevention. [3]
“Thirty-four percent of young women become pregnant at least once before they reach the age of 20 — about 820,000 a year. Eight in ten of these teen pregnancies are unintended and 79 percent are to unmarried teens.”
The average age of first intercourse among teen males is 16 and females 17.[4] Teens constantly look for approval and acceptance physically before developing themselves internally. The allure of immediate gratification is everywhere in Hollywood making it difficult for parents to teach honor and fortitude. Aging today is seen as a sign of weakness instead of strength. Have we reduced ourselves to our physicality to hide our lack of resilience?
Bill Condon is the director for Breaking Dawn: Part 1 & 2. Condon who’s also known for directing the controversial and critically acclaimed film Kinsey in 2004 (The Kinsey Institute located at Indiana University Bloomington in Bloomington Indiana) is where Alfred Kinsey did research for his book “Sexual Behavior in the Human Male.[5]” In the 1950’s the idea of sexual exploration or sex education was taboo. Condon handled the controversial public figure and subject matter tastefully. Perhaps this is why Summit Entertainment selected Condon to direct Breaking Dawn? A director who they thought was sensitive enough in presenting the awaited sex scene of Edward & Bella.
Please join us for an open discussion starting Thursday 11/10/2011.
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OB,
Absolutely fantastic, exceptionally researched, and very well written. 🙂 Ummmm…Bella really annoys me. More on that later.
I understand your dislike of the character LB, but I think the fault for this one has to fall on Mrs. Meyers. Despite the media’s obsession with underlining Mrs. Meyer’s Mormonism (as though this religious commitment makes her chaste), Ms. Meyer’s carefully crafted carnal reasoning, logic, and motivation(s) for Bella are (as Open book suggests) alarming.
Does Bella, expire every minute she gets “older” than Edward, (if so I guess May-December couples like Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher are absolutely disgusting)? In Bella’s opinion, is she an old maid for having sex with Edward after High School, (would Bella be a coward or a nerd)? And does marriage spoil the sincerity of the act of sexual intercourse? I didn’t realize how much things had changed since 1918.
Good article Open book.
CR-
These are all great Q u bring up for LB.
Do u think men would be attracted to Bella given her low self esteem? Granted Edward and Jacob are not human. What do u think they see in her that’s attractive?
That’s an excellent question, OB.
They (Edward and Jacob) may not be human but they are both “transitionally human.” Edward was human. Jacob is human some of the time.
Because she hates herself, (evidenced by the quotes) I don’t think either suitor should be interested. She doesn’t respect who she is, what she is, or what she is becoming. She nearly becomes a vampire to escape being a woman or adult female. Despite Rosalie’s protests, she’s the only character in the cast who believes preserving herself as a vampire is a good thing.
Stephanie Meyers seems to believe this awkward self-hate is endearing.
Jacob wants to preserve human’s, Bella thinks that’s a waste of time for herself. Why should he like her?
Edward has great respect for humans, Bella thinks that’s trivial. Why should he like her?
At this rate, this book will eventually make the feminist worst published list.
So let’s roll along with the fantasy: Edward is going to be with her regardless because she is his “singer”, but if that were not the case, I think he should let her mature a little bit more. He’s got 90 + years experience.
Ok, I agree with everything you just said, CR and I have to stop for a bit before sweet OB has to delete my comments because I couldn’t control my feelings!!! 🙂
Only womanizers and dirt bags. Don’t know, but in the book she does come across as more kind and approachable. *ahem*
OMG! What are you two doing to me, I can’t seem to control my fingers on the keypad!
Great questions CR:
Q 1: Age is relative, but I get that she cannot accept that Edward has such a true love for her that regardless of her age, he would be with her, sharing his life. She’s 18 with no life experience and never gets any. Really. If you think about it.
Q 2: Can’t answer without tightly gripping the sides of my MAC.
Q 3: Absolutely not! If anything it is even more spiritually connecting and pleasurable because you are building a history together. You are sharing life’s moments together and if you make one another top priority, it is very sincere and special. Even if you have been married for 50 + years. (Another reason I love The Bronze Horseman trilogy.)
Did I miss any other questions? I’m on a roll right now! HAHA! 🙂
Thank u LB!
Haha…..Please expand on what annoys u about Bella? Draw it mild….LOL!!
LB-
U may have to share with Paris or R. LIH “Golden Hold Your Tongue Award.” Good Luck!
I will gladly share the “Golden Hold Your Tongue Award”, but if there is an award for “Not Throwing Your Computer Monitor and Launching it Across the Room”, I would like to be nominated for that category. 🙂
I seriously don’t know where to begin. Both you and CR have brought up so many great questions. Let me come back when I’ve rolled my eye balls to the front of my head. HAHAHA!
LB,
Is this one reason? Edward man, give it up. You’re playing a losing game.
Aw crap, do I have to watch this? Ok…
You are so lucky I value my Mac. 🙂 Although now I really have an itch to punch something.
He can’t read her mind. We should give him a pass; I guess that’s an adequate excuse.
CR,
I would gladly watch this video because I have respect for you, however, the amount of stuttering and blinking have made it extremely difficult to concentrate.
🙂
LB,
LOL.
I would ignore her acting. OB is talking about the book and the way the character is crafted. Her essay is a reflection of a kind of script analysis.
If Edward could read her mind, he would know she doesn’t think very much of herself. Remember a few scenes from now she’ll be standing in the woods telling a monster she isn’t afraid of him. Mrs. Meyers thinks that a suicidal teenager with a death wish is interesting. Obviously if most of us would tell the vampire we’re not interested in being friends, lab partners, or neighbors. We would buy a stake, silver bullets, or garlic or call our mothers and tell her to come pick us up at Charlie’s house.
I know, I know. 🙂 I wonder what Edward would think of her if he could read her mind. I don’t think SM was initially or ever thinking suicide. I think she was trying to show that…well crap, it does go back to a sort of suicide huh. Well ya got me there.
Perhaps, PERHAPS, she was trying to show the…dangn’t…nope that doesn’t work either.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LB,
I’M REALLY SORRY, I WAS REMINDED THAT I SHOULD HAVE STUCK TO THE PUBLISHED NARRATIVE. I ASSUMED THE SCREENPLAYS WERE OFFHAND PART OF THIS TEXT (WHICH THEY ARE NOT). BY POSTING CLIPS I INADVERTANTLY ENCOURAGED EVERYONE TO DISCUSS THE MOVIES WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAVE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. I’M SORRY, AND PLEASE FORGIVE THE POST.
Alright, you asked for it! 🙂
Let me state that I do respect all reader’s opinions of the characters and story line. I don’t have to agree with it, but I respect it. With that, let me say, she bugs the crap out of me. I know Bella has been an inspiration to many young girls. If she has made them stronger, yay! But here’s a list of reasons why Bella bugs me:
Reason #1: Say friggin’ ‘thank you” when someone gives you a gift! For Pete’s sake don’t be rude. Just because you hate getting presents or celebrating your birthday (which imo means low self esteem) doesn’t mean you have to be such a turd.
Reason #2: Quit stringing boys along especially if you know they aren’t the one you want to be with. But then that comes with maturity. But isn’t she supposed to be an “old soul” anyway. Argh…next.
Reason #3: when it comes to her virtue, she knows Edward is old fashioned. She knows he wants to do things the way he was raised. He’s been waiting 34523453 years for “her”, or whatever” so he wants it to be special. Quit pressuring the guy! That shows disrespect and if I were him, I’d say, “peace out!” It’s not like you’re lady bits are going to fall off once you get married. You’ve married an eternally horny 17 year old!
Reason #4: I forgot what I was going to say.
Reason #5: There is being humble and then there’s just berating yourself. I hate that she is constantly picking on herself. If I were in a relationship with someone like that, I would be exhausted trying to make themselves feel better, ultimately realizing I can’t do diddly squat.
Reason #6: And this is the doozie, folks! She doesn’t have to give up or sacrifice ANYTHING!!!! She doesn’t really care about her human friends, so that’s not a concern. Her dad finds out she’s a vampire, so no problemo there. What the heck!???
(Moment of reflection: I think someone playing someone has made it worse for me.)
LB,
Inspiration comment: This may be the saddest aspect of the whole franchise, naturally confused young girls actually see Bella as a role model.
Reason 1: I agree, the inability to show gratitude for a present does indicate a lot of selfishness. I thought Jasper was supposed to be such a good fighter. How did he miss that opportunity to kill Bella!
Reason 2: I agree the act of stringing Jacob along was cruel. But keeping a big dog (with huge teeth) around so maybe he could murder her if Edward didn’t was insurance for us. Maybe she hoped she would not survive as well as Emily Young (Sam’s second girl friend who got imprinted on and then mauled).
Reason 3: I agree yet the story communicates that Bella’s the horny one. Most guys (vampires or not) wouldn’t wait 100 plus years.
Reason 4: I’m sure everyone forgives you.
Reason 5: I agree Edward saves her three times in Twilight, yet she thanks him in the gazebo by telling him she wants him to kill her. But we already talked about lack of gratitude, selfishness…
Reason 6: Though Edward, Jacob, Rosalie, etc. correct her frequently, she insists that her death will bring about a new life. How sick. Supposedly, the necessary blood sucking is her sacrifice. It doesn’t matter what Charlie, Renée or her friends feel.
“Supposedly, the necessary blood sucking is her sacrifice.”
Weak sauce! I’ll come back and explain.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I sure we’ll be waiting. 🙂
1) Did she donate a lung? No
2) did she loose a limb? No
3) Did she have to give up her family? No
4) Did she give up being with her true love? No
5) Did she give up having children? No
6) Did she lose her best friend (Jacob)? No
7) Did she die? Yes, but she didn’t stay dead
So what did she sacrifice? some blood? Pfft.
She got the guy, the best friend, a kid, eternal youth, living forever, and a boat load of money (yeah kinda jealous of that factor). She sacrificed NOTHING!!!!
NEXT!!!!
Forgot one:
8) Did she have to suffer 3 excruciatingly painful days of physical torture while “changing” to a vampire? No. It hurt her, but she’s the only one to go through the change without screaming and stuff.
(If I am wrong, please correct me. I refuse to look it up.)
Wonderful LB….This is what makes me so angry about this Character. She perpetuates entitlement behavior and instant gratification. She does not learn the value of working hard or giving without expecting something in return. Instead she shows up make demands and expects to be served while giving nothing. She is teaching young girls to be an ultra emotional blackmailer. I’m sorry but that’s not what real relationships should be built on. IMO!
Your website has to be the eelctroinc Swiss army knife for this topic.
Hi Everyone-
Normally we have scheduled discussions on Thursday at 7pmE. However, given the sensitive subject matter we are going to have an ongoing open discussion throughout this weekend. This way it will allow our visitors outside the US an opportunity to express their thoughts on this topic. So I will be checking in throughout the weekend to answer any questions you may have and or comment.
So I have a few Q for everyone.
For the women & men.
Why do u think Twi-Hards are obsessed with seeing a sex scene in the Breaking Dawn film given the author goes out of her way to leave out the details in the book?
Here’s a stab at the question.
After four books and as many films, the voyeuristic temptation is too hard to resist. Also the female gross-fest of what Meyers makes out of (usually beautiful) female pregnancy (and the abomination this story produces) is equally too sinister for children (and the impressionable) to resist also.
Basically ignorant adolesent anxieties, are turned into a horror spectacle instead of the beauty that women should be proud of.
Because people love build up and mystery. The more anticipation of something you don’t end up seeing, the more they want, want, want!!!! Also, sex is so thrown out there now. Like one of you said (my brain is numb), it’s become recreation. It’s a free for all. And children in elementary and jr. high are now becoming part of that life style. Yes, it’s true. And it’s mortifying.
I love a quality love scene. But I’m not….wow, almost wrote something completely inappropriate…salivating to see it on the screen. I don’t need it to enjoy the story.
Open Book,
*standing ovation* Great article! J
I think people are interested in seeing the sex scene because the “chemistry” between R/K has been touted for 4+ years. People haven’t seen any yet so they want to know when E/B get it on will R/K finally sizzle. They want their proof that Robsten exist. This entire charade reminds me off the story The Emporer’s New Clothes except no one has the balls to tell the king he’s naked in R’sten reality. Well I will, some one has to do it.
ROBSTEN DOES NOT EXIST. ROBERT AND KRISTEN WILL NEVER BE TOGETHER. JUST LIKE DORIS DAY AND ROCK HUDSON WERE NEVER TOGETHER. THEY ARE NOT PAUL NEWMAN AND JOANNE WOODWARD AND NEVER WILL BE.
Now onto Bella. I cannot stand Bella. I don’t see how young girls look up to her. She is not a character that I would want my daughter (when I have one) to emulate in any way. Bella doesn’t show anyone how to stand up for themselves or how to be a good person in any way. I think that Bella is selfish and immature.
Ok I’m done. J
BLASPHEMY!!!! hahaha! 🙂
Classic!!
Paris- U always say what I’m thinking. I’m almost convinced we share the same brain. How is that possible?
LB, CR and Paris-Since u did so well at restraining yourselves. LOL!!
I’m going to turn up the heat with a few more Q.
OB & Paris–I agree. I think most fans of the book are more interested in seeing the two actors “get it on” than the characters.
As for the questions: Bring. It. 🙂
Loaded Q. #1-
Many girls bleed the first time they have intercourse. Given this fact. Don’t u think Bella runs the risk of becoming a meal for Edward even more? Edward is already trying to keep himself from crushing her now he has to hold back his knife and fork? Does Bella even care if Edward enjoy his first time? Remember he bites the pillows to keep from having a glass. How is this visual imagery acceptable for teens? Please share your thoughts.
OB,
I know it’s somewhere on this internet about how Edward’s bodily fluids are venom, so why not his foot soldiers? Super sperm or venom, she would have turned that night, and it would not have been from a bite.
But to answer your question, well at least one of them, Edward beats himself up inside the morning after seeing how bruised she is from him and that was him holding back! I don’t even know how to talk about this subject because there is nothing realistic about it!!! It’s not two humans having sex so anything I say is going to be irrational and stupid.
LOL!! Wow! I’m impressed at your restraint LB. I dangle a carrot and u don’t even bite. LOL!
I’m trying to stay Kosher. 🙂
CR-I think LB is winning here in the tact department. I won’t be eating any hamburger for awhile.
You have more useful info than the British had colnoeis pre-WWII.
Excellent LB,
I absolutely agree, this union is totally impossible. I heard there was a lot of debate about how to film this activity but it doesn’t sound as though Conden or Summit execs know that much about the act to begin with.
How in the world could Edward be on top if he is made out of stone and she’s made out of flesh. On top, wouldn’t she have the most potential to direct the act given she’s the most fragile of the two. But let’s face it, this is Bella. Why would she do anything to assure her safety. Below, this is where my imagination is headed.
OB,
Oh yeah that’s right. Blood and virgins: what an uncomfortable situation given her choice of boyfriend. I don’t want to get technical but blood plays an essential role in his participation as well. Yet I don’t understand how this would be possible given the ways he is frequently described.
In the past, I believe he has been portrayed as having no blood in his veins and that his heart does not pump blood. I don’t know how you get an erection without this obvious requirement, but I can see by the discussion of the Renesmee plot line that Edward isn’t challenged by this logic gap.
Normally I love fantasy but obviously in this case I do not understand.
…all from the imagination of Stephanie Meyers.
I think many incorporate vampires with the incubus and succubus. But they are really considered demons or evil spirits that take human form.
http://www.planet-flipside.com/index.php/paranormallink/58-incubus-succubus
Vampire and demons are not the same thing. Don’t know why I even cared to look this up, but I did.
And thank you for the visual, CR. I don’t think I’ll be having meat in the near future. HAHAHA!!!
LB,
That link was grim, but thanks now I know the difference between Demons and Vampires. Maybe I should look up exactly what vampires are… Sorry I did not realize i was typing a mental note.
THIS SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!! I like fantasy as well, but I like it more when it’s “plausible”. I don’t like gaps or loop holes.
Loaded Q #2:
Do u think SM gave an accurate depiction of teen girls today? If your answer is yes or no please explain?
I hope not. I assume that they are a lot more hopeful.
I would truly hope not but I’m afraid there many who are like Bella. I think we see a reflection of low self esteem in our high teen pregnancy rates, drug and alcohol abuse, cutting, etc…
And yet I think there are girls who believe in their self worth. As SM comes from strong religious beliefs, I know that they encourage their youth to be confident, intelligent, respectable individuals with a very high sense of individual worth. Therefore I find it so odd that she.doesn’t write her protagonist that way.
Ok, I feel kind of bad for going off on a character I know that many girls adore. So please, if someone reading this truly likes Bella, will you please share with us the qualities about her you really enjoy? 🙂
Loaded Q. #3:
The next Q that’s very disturbing and a problem in America is the issue of teen suicide. In New Moon after Edward decides to break up with Bella for her and his families safety. He sacrifices the love of his life and leaves Forks. However, before he leaves he ask Bella to please take care of herself. So Bella hatches this plan to try and off herself every week to force Edward to come and rescue her. How manipulative and selfish. Especially, after Edward told her he would kill himself if she died. What message is Bella sending to teen girls?
OB,
I think that is an excellent question especially if you are concerned about this movie’s teen audience. But, as I have said before I believe Bella’s fixation with suicide begins very early in this tale especially after she finds out Edward is a vampire. As for the rest of the question I can only address that with a lot more text. I don’t know Stephanie Meyers yet it seems logical the series may have had some redeeming qualities.
I’m feeling a long-winded attack coming on; but honestly I will do my very best to be brief. See below.
Regardless of what has been said on LIH, I believe if you want to be balanced, I believe there is a lot to be impressed with regarding Stephanie Meyers’ Twilight series. Ultimately, after all of the eventual reevaluations of: exploiting adolescent sex anxieties to build teen film audiences, using gender sensitivities to make unbelievably curious relationship scenarios, and the use of the occult to build narratives about ethics and values; I believe the series will be appreciated for a few virtues.
The humility of the vampires, largely demonstrated by the character Edward Cullen, is one major virtue of the series. Despite tragic circumstances, this family literally clings to what is left of their humanity and show us a greater spiritual respect for human life than we see in most other films. Living in the margins of society they are building an alternative cultural commitment to the human race that completely contradicts their own predatory natures. Despite having incomparable physical strength, wealth, and the time to execute any selfish or evil goal they might execute; they instead dedicate themselves to invisible lives of respect and humble alliance with the human race. Essentially sacrificing their dietary needs they secretly spend all of their time trying to diminish the burden of the human condition while indulging in many of its cultural benefits. Though described in a confused manner, this is ultimately what the character Bella Swan falls in love with.
From the margins of society, the nobility of the wolves presents another virtue. Though stationed in poverty of reservation life, they are committed to using their transformative ability to protect the otherwise dismissive human race from the worst excesses of the majority of vampires. Disenfranchised from most entitlements, like most contemporary Native Americans, Jacob Black’s Quileute tribe never the less holds their ground. What few material and personal possessions they have get shredded every time they spring into sacrificial action. They are relentless and will protect the human race from all of the nefarious intentions of all vampires.
And last community and certainly the least, the humans are a constant disappointment. Spiritually gifted in so many ways, they are consumed by the most trivial of human routines and distractions. So consumed with self-gratifications, they don’t even spiritually protect their children. Allowing characters like Bella Swan, to build every kind of unholy relationship with monsters she can devise. It’s only by odd coincidence that she comes in contact with the remarkably benevolent communities of the Twilight underworld.
There’s a lot to be disgusted with regarding the Saga’s narrative yet it’s fortunate that Twilight finally lived up to the horror genre it always professed to be. Despite Summit entertainment’s many odd ways of supporting the series their frequently questionable and quizzical studio management ultimately delivered the series to audiences. Until we see a better story this narrative with all of its societal questions, spiritual faults and philosophical contradictions, is what we will have to review and reconsider.
Wow! Very impressive observations CR…
Um yeah, wow…I don’t think it’s possible to follow up after that. 🙂 Great analysis!
LOL!! Great response.
CR, LB & Paris.
Given all your wonderful examples, comments and analysis of the narrative presented in the article here. What are u looking forward to seeing in Breaking Dawn Part:1 when it opens and why?
After three movies, given the previous posts, Breaking Dawn will finally merit being called a horror film. I’m not interested in seeing the sex. Like I said I’m a little afraid of what’s in the film.
With the introduction of the other vampire clans, I guess it will be interesting to see some non-western vampires for a change.
I seriously could not keep track of who was from where and what there names were and WHY they were there.
OB, you may have to ban me from the BD movie review because I don’t plan on holding back.
I could be wrong but I think we’re depending on you not holding back, IMHO.
Well then, I’m prepared! 🙂
Tocuhodwn! That’s a really cool way of putting it!