Kristen Stewart “Victim” of the American Educational System?

17 Oct

By Comic Relief

Clearly a lot of people were confused when, “Kristen Stewart Lashes out at Teachers, Says They Failed Her” the title of an article published by the Huffington Post.com based on a  British GQ interview.  Many probably wondered, “How could an actress as successful as Stewart find anything wrong with any aspect of her upbringing?”

For our non-U.S. audience, you may have heard but education in the United States isn’t what it used to be.  The country is very large and the quality of education is frequently uneven for many who live in both rural areas and urban areas.  Graduates from these public schools often complain how educational levels have plummeted in the last thirty or forty years; using their educations as evidence.[1]

As documentaries like “Waiting for Superman” [2] illustrate: though governmental and cultural officials know about this problem, real  solutions never appear. Yet obviously not all celebrities agree entirely.  When celebrity actor Matt Damon tells an assembly of teachers “…we will always have your back” he is expressing gratitude for the same education that Stewart is complaining about [3].

Clearly like many contested political issues the public sphere, these controversies are hard to understand.  Though many in the U.S. lament the lack of effectiveness of the system even though we have great individuals who left our adult institutions of higher learning like Bill Gates, Woody Allen, and Madonna and paradoxically went on to be enormous successes.  That said I think we should still pity anyone who feels undermined by the US educational system.  Frequently these people just don’t know how or can’t develop the know how to just teach and educate themselves independently.

I believe some of the best evidence for how one may have adapted to this potential challenge is how they conduct themselves after the formal educational event.  Some professions like artists demand almost constant learning.  In fact I’ve never heard of an Actor being penalized or criticized for playing too many characters. An artist’s portfolio can demonstrate just how much diversity of learning is evident.

Below is my assessment of most of actress Kristin Stewart’s film portfolio, (most work occurring after she was an adult or legal voting age).

How should anyone evaluate this portfolio?  Because values seem to be different in the two places, I’m going to be sensitive to both perspectives.  Given her age, I think anyone from the American “heartland” or the Midwest might consider this portfolio shocking or depraved.  People from more urban areas might think she was just pounding the keys too hard.  Do I think this is a bad choice of characters? No, 90% of these characters are historical personalities that anyone might know, read about in books, drive next to on the highway, or see at the mall.  In fact Oscar winning actresses like Julianne Moore has played many similar characters, she just did it over a career that has spanned 20 years and also featured many more conventional gender and sexual statements.

Though the characters are different, the tone and attitude is exactly the same.  Given this disparity in presented learning, I think we might agree with her that the educational system could have failed her.  But given her young age, I don’t think it’s the end of the story.  Given her fame and her fan appreciation, she has a tremendous opportunity to grow and improve. In terms of the diversity of the roles; in 20 years Kristen Stewart may show she wasn’t adversely hurt by the school system.  In terms of the current limited range of her roles I don’t believe anyone could make that argument now.

Please join us for a discussion Tuesday 10/18/2011@7pmE

[1]  http://www.breakingdawnmovie.org/kristen-stewart-interview-in-gq-uk/

[2] Waiting for Superman trailer at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKTfaro96dg

[3] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/matt-damons-clear-headed-speech-to-teachers-rally/2011/07/30/gIQAG9Q6jI_blog.html

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194 Responses to “Kristen Stewart “Victim” of the American Educational System?”

  1. 4string October 17, 2011 at 8:31 AM #

    Of course I’m biased, but I think in this case it wasn’t the education system but her parents who failed her. This girl can barely speak a coherent sentence (also can’t go two sentences without an f-bomb) and she was actually much better spoken when she was younger. Usually, a person becomes more eloquent as they get older. I come from a small town and I do have to say that schooling is largely what you make it. People are so quick to blame teachers, but parents are also vital in this.

    • littlebells October 17, 2011 at 11:18 AM #

      I couldn’t agree more! Lack of responsibility and accountability are big pet peeves. How can a child grow into a responsible adult if their parents dont set the example. BLAME SHIFTERS!!!!!

    • Parisienne October 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM #

      CR,

      I must say I enjoy this article immensely not only because it sheds light on the education system but Kristen has still not apologized for her comments. IMO, the comments that she made are just as appaling as the rape comment.

      4string,

      ITA with your comment. Her parents failed her miserably.

    • comic relief October 17, 2011 at 1:29 PM #

      4 strings though I think that is an interesting theory. I really don’t think we (or I) know enough about Kristin’s parents to make this claim. Sure we can make assumptions based on norms we are used to, but I’d rather wait for the “Kristin Stewart Biography” before coming to any conclusions about their influence.

      Until the discussion, I have posted links below to a few of the topics mentioned in the article.

  2. littlebells October 17, 2011 at 11:14 AM #

    CR, I don’t know whether I should shout for joy or give you a huge cyber hug! Very well written, and I appreciate your references. I know Jodie Foster, Natalie Portman, Emma Watson, Ashton Kutcher, Matt Damon, Denzel Washington, Cate Blanchet, and Forest Whitaker didnt let the education fail them. they graduated in the arts, psychology, biological engineering, business, literature, etc…Its nice to know they pursued other interests, succeded, and have something else to “fall back on”.

    • comic relief October 17, 2011 at 1:42 PM #

      LB,

      Funny you should mention Matt Damon; I have a quote/ link from him below.

      Like many we may think the relationship between the arts, education, and the library are almost fundamental. By your comment, it seems that you see them as intrinsically related as well.

  3. Parisienne October 17, 2011 at 12:41 PM #

    CR,

    I’m disappointed that you didn’t include a clip from Twilight. The franchise is her piece de resistance. LOL

    • Parisienne October 17, 2011 at 12:45 PM #

      CR,

      Have you seen this? What do you think? The photo of her makes her look like she’s possessed by a demon. LOL

      http://dlisted.com/2011/10/12/da-skool-sistums-dident-lurn-me-gud

    • comic relief October 17, 2011 at 1:51 PM #

      Paris,

      I wasn’t trying to embarrass Kristin Stewart as much as test out her hypothesis. Did the school system or her teachers fail her? And if they did, how would we know?

      She wasn’t as detailed as Matt Damon in his support of teachers. She wasn’t as active as the documentarians for “Waiting for Superman.” She wasn’t as explicit as Damon’s critics in downing the system.
      Unfortunately, until she says more we only have her work to go by.

  4. comic relief October 17, 2011 at 1:30 PM #

    This is clip for “Waiting for Superman” this documentary details many of the problems with the public educational system.

  5. comic relief October 17, 2011 at 1:31 PM #

    This clip discusses many of Matt Damon’s contrary comments about the education he received growing up in public schools. His mother is a school teacher and he clearly respects her and her dedication to the field.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/matt-damons-clear-headed-speech-to-teachers-rally/2011/07/30/gIQAG9Q6jI_blog.html

    • Littlebells October 17, 2011 at 2:02 PM #

      CR,

      Thank you so much for sharing this. My mom taught for 41 years and watched the system fall apart. When I was teaching, I couldn’t even begin to count all the different tests we were giving CONSTANTLY! District tests, school tests, State tests, blah, blah, blah. At least where I teach/substitute there is no time for a teacher to teach the way they once were able to. We are stuck on a time crunch and pound the information out, cramming it into kids skulls and praying to God above they score well on the tests so we get state money.

      I look back on my elementary education and I had FANTASTIC teachers! We worked hard, but we had fun and teachers were more free to do art, music, and experiments. I miss that.

      Now it seems like all we focus on is meeting State Standards. Yes, they are important. They are a benchmark, but children develop and mature mentally at different speeds. I had the hardest time with long division and it took me almost a month to pass it before moving on. But that was back when we weren’t under a time table and teaching a new math lesson every day.

      Rambling Rose is gonna stop now.

      But thanks again for the great Damon quote!

      • comic relief October 17, 2011 at 2:30 PM #

        LB,

        I worked as a teacher for a short time also. Everything you describe I experienced also. I really feel for Matt Damon’s comments, yet I left the system hoping reforms would happen quickly. Yet it was way too complicated for me to figure out. I have nothing but respect for those who have dedicated themselves to the profession despite societal anger, indifference and challenges that make the field an aggravating environment to work in. It seems that if the issues take sustained discussion and problem solving, many just get mad and start pointing fingers. I don’t believe these BLAME SHIFTERS (as you call them) help anything.

        As for Damon’s detractors, I do believe teachers should be paid more given the responsibilities they hold.

        Just like the rape comment Ms. Stewart probably thought she was going to do a controversial statement drive-by then not take responsibility for the subject. This never seems to work for her, but she keeps doing it anyway.

  6. comic relief October 17, 2011 at 1:33 PM #

    Just so that we can review the different viewpoints, (I really don’t agree with many of the things said in this clip). But it illustrates the debate that Ms. Stewart may have stumbled into.

    • Littlebells October 17, 2011 at 2:23 PM #

      You can have amazing teachers who work in an area where there is no educational support from home. If there is no support from home, the teacher can only do so much. There are some pretty bad teachers and there are great ones. I think you would have to look at years of a teacher’s track record with grades/scores to see if it’s the teacher, the demographics, or both. IDK…

  7. Open Book October 17, 2011 at 2:55 PM #

    Hi CR-

    Do u think this problem with K is an issue of values? Meaning because we are a capitalist society many youth get lured into bartering their physical ability rather than improve their mind. Take for example some young athletes who went pro and skipped college? It seems some youth are willing to invest their time selling their physical rather than their mental abilities. I would say this is a different form of prostitution. No! Especially if we look at K’s portfolio of work here? What is she selling? Because it’s certainly not acting or artistry?The characters are not diverse enough to make that determination. What does this say about our values as a society if we continue to glorify physical abilities over intellect?

    • comic relief October 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM #

      OB,

      I don’t know what she’s selling? I’m wondering whether I have to hang out on Hollywood Blvd to know. I guess I wonder about the prostitution question but hope she makes good with her potential since so many girls look up to her? Where are their parents?

      Like you I look at other actors who didn’t have her access to attention and roles and their portfolios seem so much more balanced. Actresses in her age range like Carey Mulligan, and Evan Rachel Wood despite occasional controversial roles; seem to have an appreciation for subtlety, patience and spontaneity in there character ambitions. I sometimes think Kristin has an apetite closer to musicians like Janet Jackson, Madonna or Lady Gaga. All of these women are great musicians and entertainers but actresses, because of their relationship to literature, seem to have such a greater range of content to reveal. Hopefully she will have more opportunities to act on this as her career develops.

      I’ll think about this question before the discussion.

      • Open Book October 17, 2011 at 3:46 PM #

        Thanks CR-

        We’ve discussed this on LIH the issue of of child beauty pageants. Here is Paris article on Stolen Innocence which influenced my comment about prostitution.

        https://linkedinhollywood.com/2011/07/18/stolen-innocence-or-innocent-beauty/

        Many of K’s portfolio here is of her as a teen. So again I go back to values as a driving force here. Who should we blame? The School System, Teachers, Parents, Filmmakers, Television programming or Consumers? Given K continues to choose roles that do not enhance her acting ability it’s clear where her values are. ITA this topic is much more complex and sensitive than a hit and run comment to get attention for your movie. Let’s face it she’s had way more opportunities than most kids her age. Yet, she chooses to claim foul play? I’m sorry but she can still afford to go to college and correct what she did not get in her youth, instead of putting out these less than memorable fine performances. Well I will wait until our discussion tomorrow. Great article CR!

    • 4string October 17, 2011 at 4:33 PM #

      I think that athlete thing only applies in basketball and baseball because I don’t believe the NFL allows players to go straight from high school to the pros. I don’t know the rules with hockey. With baseball they come out of the minors or college and don’t make much off the bat. Of course I’m sure there are some exceptions.

      In the entertainment business, I can understand striking while the iron is hot and taking an opportunity, but as others have mentioned, other young actresses have still made time to finish an education or further it. If anything, with a tutor, you’d think she’d be even better off since she would get one on one teaching. There’s no chance of getting lost in a sea of a bunch of students and slipping through the cracks.

      • Open Book October 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM #

        Wonderful observation 4string!

        U said: “In the entertainment business, I can understand striking while the iron is hot and taking an opportunity, but as others have mentioned, other young actresses have still made time to finish an education or further it.”

        Me: I also believe u better have something to say when u get all this visibility because the bigger the iron the bigger the burn. Like u said there is really no excuse for K and all her opportunities and using them to cowardly take pot shots at teachers who can’t afford to fight back against statements like this.

  8. Francesa October 17, 2011 at 3:18 PM #

    This is an issue that is very near and dear to me. My immediate family is full of academia. From in the guts as teachers, counselors to the administrative end. I am so tired of it all being blamed on the teachers (as said in alot of the comments above). I myself was private school educated, so I did not have all the standardized testing etc.. and the standard was different. But the bottom line is we as a society need to take responsiblity for ourselves. Whatever happened to “inner drive”? We live in such a blame society. Our educators more and more are the mom, dad, nurse, teacher, etc and when they do not live up to those standards watch out. But yet parents are not held to those same standards? Why is that?? Most kids in the industry have tutors on set, was that not the case for her? Why was she different? The comments she made are so flippant, maybe she should have stayed in school to be educated instead of becoming an “actress” if thats what she can call what she does.

    • Open Book October 17, 2011 at 3:55 PM #

      Hi Francesa,

      All I can say is Standing O! Yes!!!! Stop blaming everyone under the sun. IMO people who do this just want to get by on excuses without doing any work to change their situation!! I hope u can come to the discussion tomorrow.

    • littlebells October 17, 2011 at 4:16 PM #

      Francesa,

      I bow down to your comments. I can’t wait for tomorrow!!!

  9. expatengland October 17, 2011 at 4:47 PM #

    I am hoping very much to be part of the discussion tomorrow night. I have been out of commission for awhile due to personal issues and am very much looking forward to getting back to my normal life. I can see that I have missed quite a few lively discussions. I finally signed up on gravatar, so my tag has changed.

    • Littlebells October 17, 2011 at 5:02 PM #

      Is this you Francesa?

    • Open Book October 17, 2011 at 8:11 PM #

      Hi Francesa-

      Well we have missed u but we do understand how life and family can be. We wish u well with both and very glad things are getting better for u. So u finally got a gravatar? Excellent!! Look forward to speaking to u tomorrow. Take Care!

  10. expatengland October 17, 2011 at 5:32 PM #

    Yes expatengland is me Francesa. I did not think to add that into the comment. I need to come out of my fog and put the wheels back on the bus. LOL!

    • Littlebells October 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM #

      That’s ok! haha!!! 🙂 I just wanted to make sure. I hope things are calming down for you. We miss you and know how life can get.

  11. Littlebells October 17, 2011 at 7:17 PM #

    Just felt the need to post this:

    and

    • Open Book October 17, 2011 at 8:12 PM #

      LB! BIG HUGS for this. Love it!!

      • Littlebells October 17, 2011 at 8:57 PM #

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Gladly accepted!

  12. Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 1:54 AM #

    In this interview I think she speaks rather fluently and seems very relaxed and appears to come across as decently educated.

    as compared to this one where she seems rather choppy in her thought process.

  13. Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 1:56 AM #

    IMO, she comes across as flippant with her comments. She doesn’t give a shit what people think as long as she can get something out of it.

    • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 5:58 PM #

      Paris-

      Why do u think there is such a drastic change in her behavior from the first video to the last?

      • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM #

        OB,

        IMO, She can’t keep the lying straight. In the first video, there was no pressure on her. In the second one, there is alot of pressure. Rob is better at handling the pressure during interviews though, he just laughs it off. She doesn’t because she wants to be taken seriously, So she’s trying to play along and continue the lie. She seems to enjoy the lying btw, in her GQ article she called the entire charade “a little game” and said that it was a “slippery slope”. She’s right though but its her slippery slope downwards.

        • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:07 PM #

          SMH- Wow! What a piece of work.

        • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:15 PM #

          O.k. now that I’ve stopped SMH. I’m still trying to understand why is she in this business?

          • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:59 PM #

            she’s in it for the money and relevance imo.

  14. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:02 PM #

    Hi Everyone-

    I’m going to be moderating the discussion tonight. However, if u have any Q or comments feel free to jump in at anytime. Welcome new and returning visitors to our discussion. Please feel free to comment as well all are welcomed. Just remember to keep it clean.

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:03 PM #

      Hi OB!

      How are you?

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:08 PM #

        Hi Paris glad to see u!!

        How are u?

  15. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:03 PM #

    CR- What inspired u to write this article?

  16. comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:06 PM #

    hi, everyone

    • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:08 PM #

      Hi CR!

  17. comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:08 PM #

    Much like I said in the article, I wondered how someone so young and so successful in her career could possibly be so nasty to teachers who probably did their best to help her learn. IMO, teachers are one of the worst paid professionals yet have one of the most necessary yet thank less jobs in our society. If you can live in society with some sense of some safety and security it is probably because of the work of teachers.

    • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:10 PM #

      ITA!! Great response.

      Does anyone have any Q for CR before I move on?

  18. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:12 PM #

    This Q is for Everyone-

    We’ve been reading The Bronze Horseman and it’s so inspiring. One of the running themes throughout the book is on fate and destiny. Should we accept the hand we’ve been dealt or fight against it? What are we willing to sacrifice to get something we desire or need? Do u think teachers or parents are responsible for disciplining kids?

    • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:15 PM #

      Wow, this is a hard question. I guess I think your life is what you make it, since I’m believe in a higher power I rely on faith a lot also. I may not be the biggest believer in fate or destiny.

      Yes, I believe teachers and students should teach children values.

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:16 PM #

      LOL Don’t you just love how everything ties back to TBH? 🙂

      IMO, I think parents are responsible for teaching their children the social norms and lessons. Its not the teachers job. The teacher did not birth the child.

      • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:18 PM #

        I also believe in a higher power as well but I think we have to help the higher power along. I was told a great saying last week by a friend of mine. You do the natural, God will do the supernatural.

        • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:22 PM #

          Paris,

          “You do the natural, God will do the supernatural.”

          That’s a wonderful quote.

        • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:23 PM #

          LOVE IT!!!!

        • 4string October 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM #

          Love this quote. 🙂 As a Christian, I wholeheartedly agree. We are given free will and are ultimately responsible for our own choices.

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:19 PM #

        Paris,

        Ultimately I agree with you. But for people who don’t have the most responsible parent (this happens), teachers frequently prove to be useful and necessary influences.

        • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:24 PM #

          I agree with you too. However, imo, if one is going to have sex one should be responsible for what happens 9 months later and if the parent cannot be responsible for him/herself then that child should be given to someone who has the maturity and means in order for the child to have the brightest future possible.

          • 4string October 18, 2011 at 7:36 PM #

            As someone who has friends who have been blessed by adopting, I sooo agree here.

            • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:44 PM #

              Hi 4strings-

              Welcome!

              • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:47 PM #

                Hi 4strings.

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:19 PM #

        Well what can I say! I just love this book. LOL!!

        I agree with both of u.

    • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 7:48 PM #

      Hi everyone! Instead of rehashing my long spiel on this topic, feel free to read it at the TBH book review section. haha! 🙂

      Simply put I believe we all have something important to accomplish in this life. Our choices and the agency of others is going to affect our ways of accomplishing that mission and we have to be willing to make sacrifices to move beyond these obstacles.

      I think parents are responsible for discipling kids and teachers enforce that. Poor behavior in the classroom disrupts instruction time for the other students. I cannot begin to tell you how many days teaching I spent more of the time redirecting bad behavior than giving a lesson.

  19. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:17 PM #

    Again this Q is for Everyone-

    Do u think an artist body of work is a reflection of their education, talent and or values?

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:18 PM #

      yes yes yes yes yes yes to that question.

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:19 PM #

        I absolutely agree. Though I believe different art forms enable self-description differently than others.

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:21 PM #

        Can u elaborate more on why this is important?

        • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:26 PM #

          I think a diverse body of work shows a persons maturity and ability to motivate oneself. Roles are not just handed out (well some are) but the actor needs to be able to prove themself that they can handle any struggles (mental,physical) that come up during the course of their character breakdown.

          • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:28 PM #

            Applause…. Well put…….ITA!

            • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:29 PM #

              thank you. 🙂

        • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:29 PM #

          Well, I’m not as familiar with the professional practice of acting as much as I would like to be. But it seems to me that they need opportunities to perform that will either represent aspects of their selves or resemble themselves to project a self describing statement.

          Expectations of the skill or creativity involved with an visual artist’s self portrait seems to a different matter than what we expect of the actor.

          • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:33 PM #

            CR-

            Great response. Paris what do u think of Cr’s statement?

          • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:36 PM #

            CR,

            IMO, actors need to be able to open themselves up in order to play a different aspect of themself. Ashley Judd summed up acting perfectly and i’m going to paraphrase it because i don’t remember what she said exactly but it went something like this.

            “You have to react as yourself to the made-up situation”

            The actor has the choice to put whatever emotion they want into the character as long as it fits the scene

            Does that answer your question?.

            • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:41 PM #

              Yes it does! Do u think different acting techniques is another way to expand on an actors range? How do u feel about experimenting with different techiniques?

              • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:44 PM #

                Experimenting with different techniques is wonderful. It broadens an actors range of emotion and depth. I’m all for it.

                • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:46 PM #

                  Who are some actors u admire who does this well?

                  • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:49 PM #

                    I can’t think of any off the top of my head but i will get back to you on that.

            • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:49 PM #

              It may take me a while to situate that answer in the appropriate place in my brain. Deep stuff doesn’t always digest well.

    • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 7:49 PM #

      Yes and also their life experiences.

      • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM #

        very true. I forgot life experiences. Thanks LB!

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:52 PM #

        Hi LB-

        EXCELLENT!!! YES! YES!!!!ITA

        • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 7:56 PM #

          Hi!! * waves from her stroganoff experiment*

  20. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:25 PM #

    A wonderful Q was asked yesterday that I would like to repeat: Francesa said: “But the bottom line is we as a society need to take responsibility for ourselves. Whatever happened to “inner drive”?” How can a person acquire that inner drive?

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:27 PM #

      I think “inner drive” is hardwired into everyone. The person just chooses whether or not to use it.

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:30 PM #

        I’m not sure. Again so much of my motivation comes from faith. Yet again I agree with Paris also.

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:31 PM #

        Why do some people have trouble accessing it? Do u think art might help people out in this endeavor?

        • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM #

          I don’t want to be too quick to answer this but I believe some are (on the weak side) fearful, hurt or (on the sad side) lazy.

          • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:35 PM #

            Art could definitely be an assist.

          • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:36 PM #

            This Q is for everyone-

            What do u think K’s problem is? Draw it mild?

            • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:40 PM #

              LOL! Can i get a wee bit hot???????

              I’ll take a stab at K’s problem. K has everything handed to her on a silver platter. She doesn’t have to work for what she has. To my knowledge, she has never auditioned for a role. All of her roles have been by word of mouth. She has not had to go through the process of breaking down a character or learning anything about her craft. She is very dull and lifeless on screen and the camera dislikes her.

              • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM #

                Paris-Wow! u get an award. The golden hold your tongue award. Take a bow!!

                • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:44 PM #

                  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:46 PM #

                  *takes bow* I’d like to thank all the little people i had to step on to get here. LOL

                  • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM #

                    LOL!!! Goodness! I’m crying…

                  • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 7:57 PM #

                    Is that what I felt!? 😉

                    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:05 PM #

                      yes it is. i stepped on you lightly. you boosted me up on to the stage. LOL 🙂

                    • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:09 PM #

                      LOL!! Thank U!!

            • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:42 PM #

              I’m not sure. I’m tempted to think it’s some combination of hurt and lazy.

              What I posted of her portfolio is so continuously sad.

              As I said before I know she’s (to some degree limited by available parts) but that selection is consistently depressing. It’s hard to believe that doesn’t describe her in some way.

              • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:48 PM #

                CR,

                Kristen comes across as depressing in interviews so i imagine that is how she is in real life.

                • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:51 PM #

                  I guess I can’t help but agree.

    • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM #

      I think “inner drive” can be cultivated. I also think there are some spirits that just naturally have a stronger inner drive than others. And some will choose never to reach their full potential.

  21. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:35 PM #

    CR U said: “Frequently these people just don’t know how or can’t develop the know how to just teach and educate themselves independently.” Can self-discipline be taught?

    • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:36 PM #

      People can influence you but ultimately you need to adopt it for yourself.

      • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:37 PM #

        ITA. Self discipline needs to come from the inside.

  22. ozzie20 October 18, 2011 at 7:40 PM #

    Hi all!

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:41 PM #

      Hi Ozzie!

    • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:42 PM #

      Hi Ozzie!!!

      Nice to see u…

    • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:44 PM #

      Hi, Ozzie.

  23. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:47 PM #

    Ozzie u must chime in would love to hear your thoughts.

    • ozzie20 October 18, 2011 at 7:51 PM #

      There not much I can say. I agree with everyone here. Apart from adding ITA to most of the posts, there’s not much more I can add, lol!

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM #

        I’m having a hard time believing that. I think I’ve heard you say that before and by the end of the discussion you proved just the opposite.

        I’m skeptical Ozzie,….that’s my story and i’m sticking to it.

        • ozzie20 October 18, 2011 at 7:59 PM #

          Lol! Who knows, a sudden idea may pop into my head towards the end! I hope it does because I’m just sitting here nodding my head. I don’t want a repetitive sprain!

  24. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:48 PM #

    Here is a definition I found on self-discipline: Do u agree or disagree? If so why?

    Self-discipline involves acting according to what you think instead of how you feel in the moment. Often it involves sacrificing the pleasure and thrill of the moment for what matters most in life.

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:52 PM #

      I agree because if one indulges constantly in “for the moment” whims. How will they know what they believe in?

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:00 PM #

        He who indulges in folly will soon have nothing.

    • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 7:52 PM #

      I agree. However, to get to this point a person must be brought to humility to say, “I need to change”. Usually it is when we have reached rock bottom and there is nowhere else to go. Usually, but not always.

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:59 PM #

        So true- Why Do u think some people are willing deny the red flags before they decide to change?

        • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 8:07 PM #

          I honestly believe that our spirits have personalities and some are just more naturally rebellious than others. However, I also think that a lot of people are too afraid to look deep within themselves and acknowledge their flaws.

    • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:56 PM #

      I would agree with that definition.

  25. 4string October 18, 2011 at 7:51 PM #

    I think it’s foremost the parent’s job to teach these things, but a great teacher can be a great motivator and blessing. I say this as someone who did not have parents who motivated me much (thankfully, I had a grandmother who did that), but did have some teachers who made a HUGE difference & motivated me.

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM #

      Hi 4string!

    • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM #

      I agree 4 String and I have seen miracles happens in the classroom!

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:55 PM #

        Hi LB.

        • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM #

          I have received miracles in the classroom.

    • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM #

      4strings-

      Why do u think u were more responsive to your teachers rather than wanting to rebel?

      • 4string October 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM #

        I’ve always responded to a teacher who actually believed in me. 🙂

  26. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 7:57 PM #

    Obviously there are bigger issues to consider other than Kristen Stewart’s flippant remarks about teachers failing her. What’s being done by way of education reform CR?

    • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 7:59 PM #

      I wish I could say school reform was a singular event but many are working on the issue.

      These quotes from the documentary waiting for Superman present that a brave community has adopted this cause:

      Waiting For Superman | Shock & Awe Public Service Announcement US

      Geoffrey Canada statement;

  27. comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:00 PM #

    The quotes below demonstrate how many have adopted this cause and have embraced this project more proactively:

    STUDENTS FIRST REVOLUTION

    Diane Ravitch on School Reform, Part 1

  28. Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 8:01 PM #

    Question for anybody:

    Has there ever been any other actor/actress that has given such “stellar” interviews, whether in print or video?

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:10 PM #

      I don’t think there is such a thing as a “stellar” interview. I think good interviews come from being prepared: Knowing what is going to be asked of you and being able to keep your emotions in check.

      • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 8:10 PM #

        I guess I should clarify. 🙂 Has anyone ever else made such idiotic comments about anything?

    • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:10 PM #

      I would agree, (like Paris said earlier) she’s received far more “benefit of the doubt’ than she has probably earned

    • ozzie20 October 18, 2011 at 8:13 PM #

      Not to my knowledge LB but then I don’t follow people who I don’t like. Unfortunately, it’s kind of a package deal at the moment so it’s hard to avoid a certain actress! It wouldn’t surprise me if there were others how say stupid things like that.

  29. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:05 PM #

    Everyone-

    After watching these videos do u think K’s remarks should have discussed some of these solutions rather than complaining about the problem? Do u think this would have been a more pro-active way of handling things?

    Why do some actors feel it necessary to step on the “little people” to get attention for themselves? It makes them look even worse IMO..

    • ozzie20 October 18, 2011 at 8:17 PM #

      To feel even more superior than what they already do?

    • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:18 PM #

      I’ts amazing how other actors and actresses can be so methodical in their research, preparation, and presentation of important social considerations. Doing independent research, sitting on committees, participating in conscious raising events, donating their celebrity…. etc., etc.,

      With her she seems to believe SHE IS owed something; yet it was Jennifer Lewis and Carrey Mulligan whom were recently nominated for Oscars, not her.

      • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:27 PM #

        IMO, she honestly BELIEVES she is owed this opportunity. She puts very little effort into it. At this rate, she will never be nominated for an Oscar because she is not Oscar material. She has consistently shoved her middle finger (literally and figuratively) at the industry. I think her career will be over once SWATH is out. JMO.

        • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM #

          ….and Paris what do you really think? LOL

          • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:40 PM #

            LOL

  30. comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:08 PM #

    OB,

    You’ve asked many questions but answered few.

    – What responsibilities do you think artists have to their audience?
    – Do you think films project the philosophies of their makers?
    – And what role do you believe classroom educators play in making responsible citizens and artists?

    • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:13 PM #

      Well these are great Q if u can give me a minute. I will try and answer but please if others would like to respond please do.

      I’m thinking!!!!

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:22 PM #

      CR,

      I’ll answer them while OB is thinking.

      1) IMO, actors have somewhat of a responsiblity the general public as far as their public image (the actor’s) The image should remain fairly consistent with what the actor wants known about him/herself because one’s actions speak louder than words.
      2)Films do project the philosophies of the writer because that person has something to say about current situations.
      3)I think teachers play a huge role in helping students become responsible for themselves but they should only guide the student down the path.

      • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 8:29 PM #

        Great answers!

        • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:30 PM #

          thanks.

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:44 PM #

        Wonderful responses Paris. I really like #1

        U said: Films do project the philosophies of the writer because that person has something to say about current situations.

        Me: What writer do u admire most?

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:58 PM #

        Answers 2 and 3 and three went down fairly well, but answer 1 I’m still chewing on.

        OB,

        Maybe we should dedicate a discussion to talking about that topic.

  31. comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:26 PM #

    Again I understand an actor doesn’t necessarily have access to the parts that will easily help them rectify the holes or weaknesses in their practice.

    Actually, I don’t think anything is wrong with the roles she’s played. In fact if she were perceived as being a good-girl type these roles might be perfect. I think there’s a difference between being an activist and an actress, though I have applauded may who have played both roles creatively.

    The kind of characters that I think might demonstrate real growth for her as an actress could be:

    • an honor roll student
    • a born again Christian evangelist
    • a vegan scientist
    • celibate hospice care taker

    After seeing the list in the article these roles seem almost impossible for her and may now be impossible since she has worked so hard to be perceived as an actress who should only play one specific type.

    Any change or anything that is far from the rebellious gender and sexuality roles she always aggressively gravitates toward would probably be good for her career. If she was really convincing it would clearly describe that she had achieved a lot of in terms of character study and learning.

    • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:28 PM #

      sorry….”applauded MANY who.”

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:30 PM #

      Celibate hospice care taker. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would hand her the Oscar for that role myself.

      • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 8:35 PM #

        Oh my gosh! HAHAHAHA! I will take a picture of you handing it to her! 🙂

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:36 PM #

        How about a celibate hospice care taker gone bad?

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:36 PM #

        Could you imagine, normally I think artist’s would want to demonstrate that they might be able to take on some roles that don’t necesarrily define them.

        I certainly don’t think a role describes the artist every time I see Merryl Streep, Judie Dench or Daniel Day Lewis in a role.

  32. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:26 PM #

    CR U Said: “What responsibilities do you think artists have to their audience?”

    Me: I think artist should try their best to explore and be innovative in their craft. I think artist should fully emerse and educate themselves in all things that will stimulate their mind and spirit becasue in the end it’s their entire body of work that will define them in the end and audiences will be greatful for it.

    CR U Said: “Do you think films project the philosophies of their makers?”

    Me: Yes! I think filmmakers do.

    • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM #

      Yes, yes, yes!

      And CR, I agree that there is nothing wrong with the roles she’s chosen. However, my problems stems with her picking and doing these roles as a minor AND not having any other type of emotion other emotion other than dead eyes. I genuinely feel she has no range whatsoever.

      • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:38 PM #

        home home on the range…….where the deer and the antelope play……sorry this is off topic. 🙂

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:54 PM #

        LB,

        and LB what do you really think???? LOL

        • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 9:04 PM #

          WEll…haha! 🙂

    • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:32 PM #

      Sorry-

      Here’s the third part;

      CR Said: And what role do you believe classroom educators play in making responsible citizens and artists?

      Me: I think teachers can only show artist examples but it’s up to the artist to use them to create their own formulas and ideas.

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:50 PM #

        OB,

        I really like your last answer. You claim that artists have should be required to transform the art form (or at least try).

        Obviously you think artist’s have RESPONSIBILITIES.

        • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:55 PM #

          YEP!!!

    • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:44 PM #

      OB,

      I think your first answer is very sweet in this context. Obviously all not artists care about what their audiences receive.

      I fully agree with your second statement, yet I would make sure that filmakers include the entire cast of contributors.

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:46 PM #

        sorry,..”Obviously NOT ALL artists….”

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:48 PM #

        ITA! It’s all a collaborative effort.

  33. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:33 PM #

    Below are a few of my favorite quotes: Which one best applies to K and why?

    This bridge will take you halfway there — the last few steps you will have to take yourself.” ~~ Shel Silverstein
    “Teachers open the door. You enter by yourself.” ~~ Chinese proverb
    “We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.” -Aristotle
    “First we form habits, then they form us. Conquer your bad habits or they will conquer you.” Rob Gilbert
    Unless you change how you are, you will always have what you’ve got. Jim Rohn

    • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 8:38 PM #

      I’m going with Rob Gilbert. Those are great OB!

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:51 PM #

        U and Paris picked my favorite of the five.

        Everyone- What do u do to motivate yourself?

        Do u have a muse?

        • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 8:57 PM #

          God and my children. I want to be a great example for them. I want them to reach their full potential.

          As for God, I know that whatever I do here will affect me in the herafter.

          But you know, I also have that built in desire to be my best self.

          • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 9:01 PM #

            Lovely answers LB!!!

            • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 9:05 PM #

              Agreed.

  34. Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:36 PM #

    The last one by Jim Rohn. Unless she takes some time away from HW and all that is her life now and really searches within herself she will always be the person that we see today.

  35. comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:39 PM #

    OB,

    I believe all of these statements should address Kristen Stewart. I believe she would be so much better off if she embraced some of these statements. It appears that she went to the GQ interview with absolutely nothing planned (except to get almost naked) then started speaking right off the top of her head. She’s been a public figure for at least 5 years, I wish she would act like she owed someone something.

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:42 PM #

      CR,

      Unfortunately, I don’t think K will ever act like she owed someone something. Her arrogant ego is to big to ever allow that.

      • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:45 PM #

        I think you have just about completely convinced me.

        • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:48 PM #

          Its what I do for a living. 😉

          • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 8:51 PM #

            Boy, you’re in rare form tonight.

            • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:53 PM #

              LOL! thank you

              • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:59 PM #

                Paris this song’s for u.

                Don’t go changing to try and please me…….Yada, yada, yada…….

                • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 9:02 PM #

                  that’s a billy joel song i think. right?

                  • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 9:05 PM #

  36. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 8:56 PM #

    LB & Paris-

    U two picked my favorite of the 5 quotes.

    Everyone- What do u do to motivate yourself?

    Do u have a muse?

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 8:58 PM #

      I do visualizations and also meditations.

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 9:00 PM #

        Wonderful!!

        • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 9:02 PM #

          I answered above, but would like to add, I do a lot of self reflection. When i feel crappy I look at what is going on in my life and see what needs to be changed.

          • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 9:04 PM #

            These are all inspirational answers. Thank U!

    • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 9:04 PM #

      I’m with Ozzie (referring to her inability or doubt about her ability to contribute) regarding this question, (unless I have answered the question before).

      My motivation changes frequently and where it comes from I’m not always sure. Sorry.

  37. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 9:02 PM #

    Everyone-

    We are nearing the end of our discussion tonight. Do u have anymore Q for CR?

    • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 9:04 PM #

      nope. great article CR!

    • Littlebells October 18, 2011 at 9:05 PM #

      Nope. Great discussion and article!

      (btw, the Stroganoff turned out! Yesss!)

      • Parisienne October 18, 2011 at 9:07 PM #

        good job, LB!

      • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 9:09 PM #

        LB-U continue to amaze me with her multi-talents. Take a bow!!

        • ozzie20 October 18, 2011 at 9:11 PM #

          Well done LB!

          I’m off as I’m nearly asleep here! Sorry I wasn’t much help in the discussion tonight.

          Take care all!

          • Open Book October 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM #

            Take Care!! Sweet Dreams…

          • comic relief October 18, 2011 at 9:19 PM #

            Ozzie,

            I admire your stamina.

  38. comic relief October 18, 2011 at 9:10 PM #

    Thanks for coming everyone, thanks to the discussion; I still have a lot to sort out so many interesting comment contributions. Really appreciate it.

    Bye all.

  39. Open Book October 18, 2011 at 9:13 PM #

    If u were unable to make the discussion tonight. Still let us know what u think? We will check and respond tomorrow as well.

    CR- Wonderful article. U know this was a tough topic for me and u did a wonderful job. Thank U…

    Goodnight Everyone!!

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