Breaking Dawn:1 Is it over Yet?

9 Apr

By Open Book

While Summit Pictures is quickly plugging away at the last two films of the Twilight series, Breaking Dawn 1& 2. A storm has been brewing over the last two years. Breaking Dawn 1 the fourth film in the franchise is slated to come out by the end of 2011. However, the negativity surrounding Twilight is unavoidable these days. Why did Summit continue given many franchises big profits begin to wane after the third film?[1] As some of you know, Breaking Dawn was the last novel of author’s Stephanie Myer’s successful Twilight series. The first book Twilight appeared in bookstores in 2005. It became an instant New York Times bestseller and the rest is history.  However, the Twilight fandom, which today is a cultural phenomenon, has started a revolt due to the disappointing last two films and media oversaturation.  So we will try to unravel what went wrong and if Breaking Dawn has any chance of success?

In the beginning, the major complaint was the low production value of the first film. However, what the first film lacked in technical savvy it delivered (to fans and non-fans of the book) in fantasy.  Catherine Hardwicke the director of Twilight captured the intimate ambiance and nature of the first book.  In the end, fans and non-fans alike forgave the low-tech visual effects in favor of relishing in the romance between the two main characters Bella and Edward. Yet, what transpired after has resembled a volatile media blitz bigger than any film campaign to date.[2] Everywhere from fans and non fans expressing hostility and anger against the franchise and actors, harassment, film leaks, public outburst by actors against the fans and press, promotional material stolen, computer hacking, stalking, death threats and the list goes on. It makes you wonder, how did all this get so out of control? What occurred after Twilight to cause this kind of frenzy?

Innocently enough it’s understood film studios need marketing campaigns to promote and sell their films.  Popular films like Twilight and Harry Potter, which cater to teens, get a ton of advertisers looking to capitalize on the success of these teen films.  So PR campaigns are a necessary evil to stimulate interest.  However, with Twilight and Harry Potter there was already a huge fan base due to the books. Was it necessary to over sell the Twilight franchise to consumers and risk potential burn out or worse a backlash? From apparel, books, technology, fast food chains, beverage, automobiles, travel, music and more. It was more than obvious the Twilight franchise story and characters were the props for product placement.[3]

The PR campaigns had fans and non-fans in suspense after the success of the first film. Fans could only imagine good things were in store for New Moon and Eclipse (the next two books in the series). However, Summit decided to go with a different approach and fired director Catherine Hardwicke. The rumors surrounding Hardwicke’s abrupt departure cast a negative shadow on the franchise that still exist today. After New Moon opened there was a definite improvement regarding the visual effects but the intimacy between the two characters seemed rushed and obscure. Then, rumors circulated about an off screen romance, which took center stage over the films. The two lead actors eluded the press and fans questions as to the real nature of their relationship.  The song and dance worked out well for the Twilight franchise but did very little to keep the actors from cracking under pressure. Kristen Stewart’s negative outburst created the impression she was fed up with the franchise and fans. Although, the film studio denies any part in the “are they aren’t they” campaign the well-timed public appearances before a films release became too obvious for fans to deny it was PR.

Unfortunately, the constant back and forth created jaded and cynical fans to split up into groups.  A whole new vernacular was born to identify the assemblage. From Robsten: who believe Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart are dating. Krisbian: like Kristen and not Rob, Nonsten: are against PRsten, (which means they dislike any propaganda about Kristen and Rob’s romance). The list goes on but this is just a sample of the groups formed as a result of the “are they aren’t they” PR campaign.

What further broke down the loyal fan base was the decision to get rid of actress Rachelle Lefevre (who played Victoria) in favor of Bryce Dallas Howard.  Here’s what some fans had to say in an article in 2009 by RadarOnline.com it states:[4]

Cullenboysanonymous.com YES WE ARE SO OUTRAGED!!!! There I got that out of my system. I run a TW fansite but I am a Twilight fan first & foremost. I am not concerned about being politically correct where Summit is concerned. Yes I am mad at them & once again feel like the Twilight movie franchise is run by Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dumb. I think it’s totally unfair…”

Although fans were disappointed, they were willing to move on given the promise Eclipse was going to deliver in the end. Yet, rumors surfaced the highly anticipated film was in trouble. Director David Slade (who was hired to produce an action film to attract male consumers) editor Art Jones was fired half way through post-production.[5] The negative press about Kristen Stewart was at an all time high, as well as rumors about Rob and Kristen’s so called “off screen” relationship. They played their elusive role perfectly on Oprah dodging “the question” for the zillion time, which temporarily distracted fans from the films problems.  However, after Eclipse opened it was clear fans were once again mislead to believe the film studio could deliver a worthwhile film. After it was all said and done, the carnage was deep. It was apparent Summit’s decisions over the last two films were futile, the marketing campaigns were overly obtrusive, bad mishandling of firings in the press, caused further bitterness to root among fans.

Today, any mention of Twilight films, books or cast on blog sites gets met with hissing and hostility. The actor who gets the most resistance is actress Kristen Stewart due to her bad press and complaints in the media.  There are just as many negative blog sites dedicated to Twilight these days than ever before.  One seems to pop up every day. In 2010 New Moon was nominated in three Razzie categories, in 2011 Eclipse was nominated in nine out of ten Razzie categories.[6] Harry Potter by comparison has repeatedly been nominated for Oscars. The backlash is strong and the animosity is even stronger. Any semblance to suggests producers of the Twilight franchise are trying to regain fans support seems to fall on deaf ears.  The recent plea (in the media to fans) about leaked Breaking Dawn stills was believed to be a publicity stunt to win back fans. So do you think Breaking Dawn will be able to succeed given the negative climate that exist for this franchise today?

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147 Responses to “Breaking Dawn:1 Is it over Yet?”

  1. Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 11:20 AM #

    OB! What a fantastic article!

    SPOILER ALERT

    Ugh…I don’t even want to talk about Breaking Crap. I just….it was….if only….why the???…No. No, no, no. I loved the first 3 books and read them within a two week period. When I read BD, I was so excited about what was going to happen for Edward and Bella. Obviously I don’t believe vampires, werewolves, and all that fantasy stuff is real. Duh! But as soon as Bella got pregnant and then Edward started chewing on her uterus, I lost it!!! What the heck??? SM took that fantasy line way too far. She put fantasy on rocket ship and launched it clear to the next galaxy! As far as I am concerned, the series ended with B & E getting married, getting their groove on (finally!!) and then changing her into a vampire.

    I have more comments about Summit and PR, but I will come back later.

    • Open Book April 9, 2011 at 4:13 PM #

      Did u become a fan of the books by seeing the first film? Or were u already a fan of the books before the first film came out?

      • ozzie20 April 9, 2011 at 8:27 PM #

        Lol, that’s my opinion too Littlebells. There is no fourth book!

        I read them roughly around the time the first film came out. The fourth book and the PR games totally turned me off it. I’ve never seen any of the films and never will. I’m satisfied with watching the scenes I wanted to see(ie the flash backs, the fight scenes etc.) on youtube.

        • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:31 PM #

          Hi Ozzie!

          • ozzie20 April 9, 2011 at 8:34 PM #

            Hi Paris! Didn’t know we were meeting or I’d of been here earlier!

            One of my comments is waiting moderation. It’s just two links to sites that review the Twilight saga novels in funny ways.

            • Lurker April 9, 2011 at 8:39 PM #

              Just cleared it Ozzie!

              • ozzie20 April 9, 2011 at 8:44 PM #

                Thank you!

                • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:47 PM #

                  Ozzie and Lurker what book out of the saga is your favorite one?

                  • ozzie20 April 9, 2011 at 8:54 PM #

                    I liked Twilight and Eclipse for pretty much the same reason as Littlebells, lol!

                  • Lurker April 9, 2011 at 10:05 PM #

                    I don’t know if I have a favorite.
                    I did read all 4, BD was the worst.
                    If I had to pick one, I would say the 1st.

              • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:45 PM #

                Hi Lurker!

                • Lurker April 9, 2011 at 10:06 PM #

                  Hi – sorry I’ve been the resident techie tonight, not communicating!

            • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM #

              Thanks everyone for helping me try to find the site. All I remember is it was a wordpress site.

  2. Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 4:33 PM #

    I was a fan long before the films. I think SM told a great story. I read the books spring of 2008, so when Twilight came out that Fall I was very excited. I knew it would have to be adapted to film, so parts would be modified or changed slightly, but knowing that ahead of time, I didn’t have huge expectations. Let’s just say there was one main character–female–who was completely miscast, IMHO. Honestly, I don’t feel I have been let down by the films. I have been let down by the acting and the writing. Oh and the nut job fandom. Seriously folks, it’s not real!!!!

    What about you, OB?

    • Open Book April 9, 2011 at 5:52 PM #

      Hi Littlebells,

      Well I saw Twilight on DVD. I did not know anything about the books but heard about the Twilight film. I often get DVD’s to watch the behind the scene footage for work.

      I only read the books after seeing New Moon in theaters. I went to see New Moon to see if CW could do a better job than CH. I went to see it out of my own men v. women pettiness. I thought it was horrible the way CH was treated in the press. I mean, it’s tough for women in HW. Anyway, I thought CW did a great job with the visuals given the budget. But the acting seemed off between the two main characters. So I thought maybe I’m missing something and broke down and purchased the New Moon book.

      That’s when I saw why the two main characters seemed off. They basically gutted R’s role at the end and beefed up TL character. After seeing that, I saw this franchise was nothing more than a marketing campaign to sell products. They had so much material to make a good film. Especially, with New Moon and Eclipse. Breaking Dawn Hmmm!! I really did not like the Jacob perspective. To me it seemed too long and unthought out. Oh! I realy could not get into the whole imprinting thing. What was that about?

      • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 6:06 PM #

        Open Book,

        SM got the “imprinting” idea from an Anne McCaffrey novel. Basically its a fantasy novel that deals with humans and dragons. The dragons and humans “imprint” on each other when the dragon hatches. If the dragon dies, the human would go into despair and if the human died then the dragon would just fly off. If I remember correctly. Its been years since I’ve read the novel.

        • Open Book April 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM #

          Oh! Gotcha!! I like McCaffrey’s version better. LOL!!

          • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 6:23 PM #

            me too!

        • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 7:59 PM #

          Paris, did not know that bit of info!

          OB, I just have to about hold my head to keep it from rolling off with agreeing with you. I actually like movie Jacob better than book Jacob. He annoyed the snot out of me. He reminded me of an ex-boyfriend who knew I wanted out but kept saying or doing things that made me feel like I should just stay. I wanted to punch book Jacob. he never listened to Bella and I just wanted to shout, “SHUT UP!!!!!”

  3. Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 5:14 PM #

    Hi Everyone!

    Open Book, Fantastic article! IMO, Breaking Dawn is doomed. I mean honestly, how do they expect to recoup their costs with the idiotic PR games that they play? Anyone with clearly see that Summit leaked those pics in order to ride on Rob’s WFE press releases. I also heard that stills from OTR were released to try to get Kristen some press.

    Back to the Saga, I saw Twilight first and then read the books. Didn’t like the film at all the first time I saw it. It wasn’t my “cup of tea” but I did think that it was a very cute love story for teens. I think CH did a good job in the respect that the love story came across decently.

    IMO, where TPTB messed up is when they tried to turn the films into actions flicks. The Saga is not about action, its about love with action mixed in. Someone should have told them “Edward’s a lover not a fighter.” LOL

    I see now that they are already trying to figure a way out of this mess by “breaking up” R and K.

    LittleBells, I agree with you about BD though, My interest was lost once Jacob came back. Honestly if she wanted to write about Bella and Jacob so much she should have had them get married.

    Honestly though, at one time, I wanted her to finish Midnight Sun but now I don’t care anymore. I’m so over the franchise.

    • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 5:29 PM #

      Paris,

      “Honestly though, at one time, I wanted her to finish Midnight Sun but now I don’t care anymore. I’m so over the franchise.”

      AMEN, sister!! Standing ovation! *throwing roses at your feet*

      I felt BD was a cut and paste of her overwhelming underdeveloped Forever Dawn. The characters were no longer the ones I came to love. I didn’t know who they were and I was sick of whimpering Edward stuck in the fetal position in the corner. Ok, I don’t think that’s where he was, but he might as well have.

      Gauging my eyes out with sporks right now. Watching Gigli. It’s for research. I may not recover….

      • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 5:45 PM #

        *takes a bow* thank you LittleBells! I agree with you. The characters were not as developed. “Whimpering Edward”. LOL. Honestly though, I think she just threw it together. AND I have to say, because I have a friend that actually said she would like to read an erotic version of BD, she really let the “sex” go in BD. I mean there was NO description of leg hitches or running lips over necks or anything. Maybe she ran out of ideas. LOL Maybe she wanted E&B marital life to be in between the characters. Who knows? SM really dropped the ball with BD. I think Jacob should have ended up with Leah but all the characters got what they wanted in the end.

        You’re watching Gigli? I have never seen it. Is it any good? Take some pills it’ll all be ok.

        • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 5:51 PM #

          Is it any good? Honestly, I stopped paying attention about 10 minutes into the film. I’ve left it on while surfing the net, vacuuming and trying to find videos on youtube. I actually just turned it off to watch Father of the Bride. Now that I can watch!

          So in summary: no, it is not good. It stinks just like the critics said. Big fail on the writing. SMH.

          Oh and I agree with everything you put in your last post. 🙂

          • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 6:08 PM #

            I will pass on that one. Yeah i don’t think so. 🙂

            • comic relief April 9, 2011 at 11:00 PM #

              NIght all, gotta go. This was fun.

              • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:02 PM #

                bye!

                • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 11:05 PM #

                  bye CR!

                  Paris,

                  What predictions do you have regarding all the filler crap that is making this book iinto two bloody ones?

                  • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:09 PM #

                    LOL filler crap. 🙂 I think they are going to drag out the honeymoon scenes because SM didn’t do it in the books.

                    • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 11:13 PM #

                      ok my comment was supposed to be here. Go up 5 comments

                    • Open Book April 10, 2011 at 10:17 AM #

                      To: LB, Paris and CR!

                      IMO: KS and TL were miscast. So much so, they’ve had to alter almost the entire narrative to accommodate both actors. Also, R/K “on screen chemistry” is NOT great!! Now, I have seen Remember Me and R/Emily had better chemistry.

                      It’s unfortunate we’ve only seen R play romantic leads, like in TW, RM and WFE.
                      I would love to see him play different characters like in BA. But it would be too abrupt for those who’ve just become familiar with him through the TW series. Especially with the hostile environment Summit has created (that exist now) with this franchise. Taking it slow is the best way to build trust among a jaded audience.

                      Anyway, with WFE R has more than demonstrated (now that he has some influence) his allegiance to supporting filmmakers who will respect the original source material. He get’s it!!!

                      P.S. I absolutely loved the BA script adaptation. It was really well done.

                    • Littlebells April 10, 2011 at 11:45 AM #

                      OB: YES to miscasting! YES to lousy on screen chemistry! And YES! YES! YES! to the rest of your post! 🙂

                    • Open Book April 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM #

                      How are u Littlebells?

                      I meant to add, I’m also excited about Cosmopolis. The casting looks great!! I really like R’s choices so far. That’s why I think he’s worth paying attention too. So many actors have gotten opportunities like this, without being well prepared for the spotlight. U give them the floor then realize they have nothing interesting to contribute. I mean no one likes to waste their time or money these days. LOL!!

                    • Littlebells April 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM #

                      I’m great OB, thanks for asking!

                      Honestly, I am excited about all the upcoming films R is in. I know he takes his scripts and movie offers seriously. As a performer, I know he wants his fans to appreciate his work, but ultimately, I think he wants to do quality work for himself.

                      We are on a tight budget in our household so yes to no wasting my time or money! 🙂 Again, I don’t care if I see a movie with well-knowns or unknowns: take me away from RL and make me believe the story and your character. If not, well, you shouldn’t be acting.

                    • Parisienne April 10, 2011 at 12:58 PM #

                      LittleBells,

                      I completely agree! I want to spend my money on a worthwile film and want to see people who can make their characters believable.

                    • Littlebells April 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM #

                      Thank goodness I never paid to see Gigli…All I had to do was click the off button. 🙂

                    • Parisienne April 10, 2011 at 3:09 PM #

                      LOL don’t waste your electricity on it. 🙂

                    • Littlebells April 10, 2011 at 5:12 PM #

                      haha!

                      OB, I really like your answer to Paris’s question. He is a student of the world and that is what is so appealing, IMO. He is so well rounded and will just continue to become more so. I know he says he is boring. I think I’m boring. My friends think they are boring. But when you immerse yourself into so much culture, I really doubt it’s possible to be THAT boring. 🙂

                    • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 4:59 PM #

                      LB,

                      I highly doubt he is boring although in his mind he thinks he is. It just goes to show you that he doesn’t like to talk about himself very much. He’s not egotistical. He could talk about what he’s done and where he’s been and what he’s seen. He could also make himself sound like an arrogant donkey’s behind while doing so. IMO, I see him as the type of person that does his job, enjoys the perk while he has it but then throws it away after he’s done. Plus he’s a man after my own heart. His favorite hotel in Paris is Le Hotel du Crillon. Mine too. (although I’ve never been there) Its one of the most expensive hotels in Paris.

                    • Open Book April 11, 2011 at 9:17 PM #

                      Well it’s good he continues to think he’s boring. It’s a sign u are thirsty to learn and grow.

                      Once u think u are not boring anymore u become mindless and stationary.

                    • parisienne April 11, 2011 at 9:26 PM #

                      I agree.

                    • Littlebells April 12, 2011 at 12:59 AM #

                      I’m making out with your comment to OB. 🙂 I was discussing Rob with a few friends over email and I didn’t realize how wordy his personality makes me! It truly is/was his endearing, silly, intelligent, humble personality that won me over. He doesn’t fit the HW mold and I LOVE THAT! He enjoys life but isn’t for the pomp and circumstance. I’m sure he loves the perks, but at the end of the day, he’d rather be with good friends and his dog hanging out. i cannot wait until his promo starts! I’ve got my Tivo set!!!!

                    • Open Book April 11, 2011 at 9:40 PM #

                      Paris,

                      Great! Post….. Maybe I’m wrong but R does not strike me as someone who likes to brag or make himself look superior over others. Eventhough, he could quite easily be insulent and pretentious given his celebrity. It’s really a sign he’s a strong person within. His parents should be proud they instilled such great values in him.

                    • Littlebells April 12, 2011 at 12:55 AM #

                      haha! “arrogant donkey’s behind”!!! hahahahahahaha!!! I’m passionately holding your comment right now. 🙂

                    • Open Book April 10, 2011 at 3:10 PM #

                      Hi Paris,

                      I hope u are well!!

                      Your Q:
                      “Why do you like R’s choices so far and what do you think he’ll be able to contribute to films in the future?”

                      My Answer:
                      The reason I like R’s choices because they are expansive and have weight. Also, they are progressive and unlike anything HW is producing today.

                      I think R’s contribution will be interesting because he has such a vast set of interest. He appears to be a self-motivated student of the world. Everywhere, from music, literature, film and philosophy. He’s pulling from a lot resources that can add depth to any film he chooses to do in the future.

          • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 6:10 PM #

            Father of the Bride is so cute! I love that movie. 🙂

  4. Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 5:58 PM #

    OB,

    Delete my youtube post if you need. In my haste of how spot on the video is, I completely forgot about some of the language. I know it’s not in an article, but I don’t want something on here that isn’t in accordance with you site. Sorry! 😦

    • Open Book April 9, 2011 at 6:10 PM #

      That’s ok.! Don’t worry about it. I know and say all those words myself. Those are my favorites when I don’t have a dictionary around and no other word will do. LOL!!

      • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 6:55 PM #

        so absolutely true!!!! LOL. 🙂

        • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 7:02 PM #

          LittleBells,

          What’s your fav book out of the saga?

          • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 7:04 PM #

            Both Twilight and Eclipse. Twilight introduced the story and I thought the sexual tension was great. Eclipse gave me the leg hitch. 🙂

            What about you?

            • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 7:15 PM #

              Eclipse. For the triangle but I liked Twilight as well for the sexual tension.

              • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 7:17 PM #

                Honestly, I don’t think she should have ever done a love triangle especially with a character like Jacob. He just seemed so immature.

                • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 8:00 PM #

                  Grrr, see my earlier post. Blech! Face punch, face punch!

                  • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:13 PM #

                    I agree! Ok honestly if Jacob were real he would have been in prison already. Any man who does that to a woman should be sent to Siberia.

  5. Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 6:27 PM #

    One other thing i didn’t like about the films is that the Cullens are supposed to be extremely wealthy. The only time I saw them dress in anything other than hoodies and jeans was in NM. I’m sure that was due to low budget at first but there is no excuse for it now. IMO.

    • Open Book April 9, 2011 at 6:49 PM #

      Yeah! I really thought the costumes in New Moon defined the characters better.

      Eclipse was just disapointing. They were so busy trying to make it into a action film. They should have used the costumes from Tron.LOL!!

      • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 6:51 PM #

        I know! I’m just disappointed in the entire franchise.

  6. Open Book April 9, 2011 at 6:37 PM #

    Paris!

    I think the only cast members who will succeed are the ones who don’t do anythng to piss people off at this point.

    • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 6:50 PM #

      yes i agree with you. However, I think people all already pissed and those cast members have already failed. IMO.

  7. Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 7:03 PM #

    OB and Paris,

    I completely agree about the costumes, but I was more disappointed in the house. Tell me there was no way to CGI a house from the book (victorian?).

    I also agree about those who will be successful. Anna Kendrick has already made a dent for herself. The best thing any of these folks can do is run as far and as fast as they can from the saga as soon as all promo wraps! I know it’s going to take some time, but they do need to get as far away as possible.

    As for summit and PR:…………..I don’t even know where to begin. I could handle to ridiculous CGI (that did get better). I learned to move past the dialogue. I came to anticipate what kind of wigs everyone was going to wear in each follow up film. But what I could not take and what has killed it for me is the push to show R&K as a couple and keep shoving it. Whether they are or they aren’t (have my own opinion), WHO CARES? It’s completely overshadowed the intention of the films.

    • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 7:05 PM #

      *keep shoving it in our faces* Sorry to have forgotten to finish my thought. My fingers were flyin’!

      • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 7:21 PM #

        LittleBells,

        I agree you with you 100%. Personally I don’t think they are or ever were involved on their own. The entire showmance overshadowed the film. The other thing that got me is K’s attitude toward the public. IMO, if you can’t handle the fire you have to learn how to play with the flames first. Know what I mean?

  8. Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 7:28 PM #

    LittleBells,

    Just a quick question. There is/was a website that used to make fun of the Twilight Saga. Book by book, chapter by chapter. I can’t remember the name of it. Have you ever run across a site like that? I was just trying to find it again.

    • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 7:47 PM #

      No, but it sounds AWESOME! I will look for it too!

      (Don’t get me started on Mzzz. Stewart!!)

      • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 7:53 PM #

        It is/was awesome and I can’t find it! GRRRR I need a good laugh. OK. I won’t mention She Who Shall Be Named. LOL

        • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 8:01 PM #

          You mean NOT named? 🙂 haha! I got what you meant. hee hee!

          • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:05 PM #

            Yes. I meant NOT named. 🙂

          • ozzie20 April 9, 2011 at 8:19 PM #

            Any of these?
            http://community.sparknotes.com/index.php/2009/07/16/blogging-twilight-index-page/

            http://markreads.net/reviews/2010/11/complete-mark-reads-twilight-archive/

            Dan’s/Sparknotes is my favourite. He’s just finished breaking dawn. He was a massive fan of Jacob and Emmett but when he read the imprint chaper he threw a complete tantrum! It was so funny. Now he just loves Emmett!

            • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:49 PM #

              nopee but i will defintely check it out! Thanks. 🙂

              • ozzie20 April 9, 2011 at 8:59 PM #

                You’re welcome! I haven’t read much of Mark’s so I can’t say much about it but I’ve read all of Dan’s and I’ve had tears of laughter streaming down my cheeks many of times!

                • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 9:10 PM #

                  Mark is funny! I haven’t read Dan yet but I like what i’m reading so far.

            • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 9:38 PM #

              Thanks Ozzie!

  9. Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 8:05 PM #

    I would give anything to sign an NDA and be able to ask Rob his true thoughts, uncensored, about this whole Twilight experience…

    • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:06 PM #

      Would you honestly want to know? IMO, everything is so underhanded that I would rather not know. I think that he’s starting to give snipets of how he really feels.

      • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 8:13 PM #

        Ok, maybe not everything, but I would actually be interested in him expanding more openly on the snippets he’s given. I know. I’m twisted.

        • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM #

          you’re not twisted. 🙂

  10. Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:08 PM #

    He’s taking so much flak for saying he likes Ellen Burstyn. Poor guy.

    • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM #

      Where did you read that? Wow, he likes someone with acting talent? unheard of!!! *insert sarcasm*

      • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:16 PM #

        LOL Have you read the article where he mentions it?

        • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 8:17 PM #

          No, which one?

          • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:19 PM #

            I’ll find it for you. Give me a min.

  11. Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 8:17 PM #

    Open Book,

    What are your thoughts on Summit and PR?

  12. Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:20 PM #

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1661618/robert-pattinson-elle-magazine.jhtml

    Its from Elle magazine

    • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 8:28 PM #

      Will check it out! Thanks, Paris. 🙂

      • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 8:32 PM #

        your welcome. 🙂

  13. comic relief April 9, 2011 at 9:50 PM #

    Open Book,

    You have an excellent, excellent article.

    Taylor Lautner is way too cute for this franchise. Stephanie Meyers defined Jacob in the books as a monster. He was supposed to provoke fear out of Bella and Edward when he’s in their presence.

    Now when Edward expresses his desire to protect Bella from Jacob you think Edwards’ just a jealous jerk because even when Jacobs’s selfish, “Tay-Tay” is so adorable you think what’s to fear. Some of the scenes that fell apart because of this failed casting included: Eclipse’s tent scene, Eclipse’s garage scene with Jacob and Bella, and Jacobs introduction scene with Jacob and Bella at the beginning of New Moon. In fact in terms of dichotomies casting a threatening Jacob would have been the perfect ugly counterpoint to all of Myer’s sparkly vampires.

    Daniel Cudmore wasn’t cast as Felix until New Moon, and he was hired to make Pattinson look vulnerable. The same should have occurred with Jacob, but this did not happen because Summit had formed an unprofessional bond with Taylor that superseded a commitment to the narrative at hand.

    • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 10:00 PM #

      Comic Relief,

      It was very hard to get over the fact that Jacob would never tower over Edward. I had hoped that maybe CGI would have made Lautner taller. Oh welllllll!

      The movies make Edward look like a wimp instead of someone who controls his anger and knows when to make his moves.

      • Lurker April 9, 2011 at 10:10 PM #

        Well, I also wonder part of the Jacob character wasn’t purposefully scripted to give the Bella character a different persona than in the book. toning down Jacob changed that dynamic.

        • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 10:18 PM #

          I think the problem is how book Bella is absent in the films.

          • Lurker April 9, 2011 at 10:24 PM #

            True

          • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:26 PM #

            I agree. You should read the link Ozzie posted. Mark Reads Twilight. If you read his version KS is the perfect person to play Bella. LOL

        • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:23 PM #

          IMO, all the characters were changed in order to accomadate the fact that She Who Shall Not Be Named cannot act. 🙂

          • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 10:29 PM #

            I LOVE YOU!!!!!!

            • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:32 PM #

              LOL! I LOVE YOU TOO!!!!!!!

          • Lurker April 9, 2011 at 10:37 PM #

            I have to agree with you!

      • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:24 PM #

        I find that hard too LittleBells. He’s supposed to be extremely tall and muscular.

    • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:20 PM #

      CR,

      I agree with you about Jacob. He’s a bully, IMO. Even in BD he’s still a creep and I never understood why Stephenie goes on and on about Bella and Jacob when Bella is with Edward. Honestly, she should have made it the Bella and Jacob Saga. The most disturbing part in the entire Saga for me is when Edward offers to let Jacob be with Bella if Jacob can talk her into having an abortion. What type of message does that send to girls/women?

      • comic relief April 9, 2011 at 10:36 PM #

        I thought Jacob was written as a bully too. In the book when Jacob forces Bella to kiss him, it is portrayed as rape. Of course this never comes across in the movie with Taylor who comes off as an insistent though well meaning brother.

        Also Summit seems to always worry about guys and their attraction to the series. I believe a scarier Jacob would have made guys feel protective of Bella. I’ve read Pattinson complain about how butch instead of vulnerable Bella is. The fact is she is never really threatened by anything. She appears to not need Edward’s protection after the audience stops fearing Edward.

        • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:41 PM #

          The books were not targeted strictly for men. Why would Summit want to target the movies that way. It threw everything off balance? Is it because K seems to be threatening herself? I don’t mean that in a bad way. 🙂

    • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:32 PM #

      In the movie Eclipse, Edward was so demasculinized. When E/B/J are at the school and B takes off with J on the motorcycle Edward doesn’t even try to physically stop her. When they filmed the scene where E has to attack J for kissing B. I laughed because it wasn’t believable. Rob tried really hard with the material he was given but that scene just fell flat.

      • comic relief April 9, 2011 at 10:42 PM #

        Agreed. That was one of the worst scenes in the movie. You hope for Taylor though you think Rob is likely to kill him.

        In the book the opposite impression happens. Jacob looks like he can kill Edward, (and bystanders think they will finally be finished with Edward), but the opposite is the case. The bystanders don’t realize he’s a vampire.

        • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:49 PM #

          The thing I don’t understand is when the movie was cast instead of re-writing the characters why not just find someone who could play Bella instead of giving the role to KS? IMO, She was told she could have the role or alot of money exchanged hands.

      • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 10:49 PM #

        SMH, SMH, SMH. IN THE BOOK EDWARD NEVER ATTACKED JACOB!!!! AND YES I’M YELLING!!!……breathe in…..breathe out….

        Ugh…Ok. I’m not even going to acknowledge all the things I hate about the movie versions because we would be here all. night. long. I will mention that Edward had the controlled, calmed anger and he didn’t have to flex his muscles to do it.

        *wonders off grumbling*

        • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:50 PM #

          I know. He verbally threatened him. Which was soooo much better. God I love that scene in the book.

  14. Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:37 PM #

    Twenty years from now does anyone think the Saga will be revisioned or just forgotten all together?

    • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 10:50 PM #

      I’m hoping not, and yet, I’m hoping yes because I WANT TO SEE IT DONE WELL!!!! Uh! Goll, now I’m just annoying myself. 🙂

      Maybe Stew will play Renee! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! NOOOOOT!!!

      • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 10:52 PM #

        Hopefully she won’t be acting that long.

        • comic relief April 9, 2011 at 10:58 PM #

          Others seem to be supporting your prediction.

          • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:02 PM #

            Honestly, that’s sad for her. Hopefully one day many years from now when she gets herself together she will try again.

            • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 11:04 PM #

              I honestly have nothing persona l against her. I just think she has no talent and her public image is appalling. I don’t care how she acts in private. Just act professional when out and about. Shoot, even I watch how I behave out in public because I would hate to have people I know catch me acting like I’m the shizniz.

              • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:08 PM #

                I agree. I don’t have anything against her either, I wish her the best in whatever she chooses to do in the future. IMO, she does not have the hindsight to see that she’s shooting herself in the foot. Hopefully when she can be herself she will be happier.

    • comic relief April 9, 2011 at 10:55 PM #

      I don’t know. One of the reasons they kept remaking Frankenstein was there was the impression that Mary Shelley had not endorsed the Boris Karloff version. Meyers taking the producer role makes her seem complicit in all of the bad interpretations. I wish she had held her ground as the author.

      I would love to see the whole thing played out as it was supposed to happen in the book.

      I thought Kristin was O.K. in the first movie. Rob was spectacular and obviously Taylor was miscast. Though he seems like a nice person.

      • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:00 PM #

        I agree! I would have liked to have seen it played out as it is in the books. Taylor does seem like a nice person but I wish they would have followed the descriptions of the characters more regarding Jacob and Bella.

  15. Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 10:58 PM #

    Hey OB! I just wanted to say hi. I know you are busy. 🙂

  16. Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:10 PM #

    If the leaked images are any indication of what is to come. I’ll wait for the dvd.

  17. Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:11 PM #

    how about you? What do you think?

  18. Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 11:12 PM #

    I agree. I just wonder how they are going to do the whole Alice and Jasper leaving everyone for 90% of the movie. Will they actually give Esme more than two lines? And lastly, how is the battle scene at the end going to resolve since it was such a nice exchange of dialogue in the book? *sarcasm* I also have to wonder if I am going to need my dang vampire family tree to bring with me since Meyer introduced 34534534 new vampires.

    • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:13 PM #

      LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:15 PM #

      Well in the New Moon book all that happened was a dialogue exchange. In the movie, there was a fight scene. Which I thought was ok. Did you read the host?

      • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 11:23 PM #

        No, but I heard from everyone that read it that it was really good. Did you?

        • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:26 PM #

          yeah i did. Honestly, it was ok. She can’t write a climax. Its like. this happened, then this happened, then that. I didn’t feel anything for any of the characters.

          • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:28 PM #

            It was really hard for me to get through.

          • Littlebells April 9, 2011 at 11:31 PM #

            haha, you said, “Climax!” 🙂 Hence fade to black? *buh-duh pssh!* (that’s my drumset, btw)

            Alright Paris,
            My 2 year old is refusing to sleep and is crying in her bed. I better go check on her. Thanks for the fun conversation. I will see you next time! 🙂

            • Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:32 PM #

              Good Night!

  19. Parisienne April 9, 2011 at 11:16 PM #

    I saw it. 🙂

  20. Open Book April 10, 2011 at 7:26 AM #

    Hi Everyone,

    Sorry I could not join in on the full discussion last night. Let me read and catch up.

  21. Parisienne April 10, 2011 at 12:39 PM #

    Good Afternoon Everyone!

    IMO, K and TL should never have been cast but since they were that just proves that Summit did not care about telling the original story. They put in the film who would suit their needs. Basically, obtaining $$$$$$$$$$$$$. R and K NEVER WILL HAVE AND DO NOT NOW have any “chemistry”

    IMO, R will fine in his future.

  22. Parisienne April 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM #

    Open Book,

    Hi! how are you? Why do you like R’s choices so far and what do you think he’ll be able to contribute to films in the future?

    LittleBells,

    How’s your daughter?

  23. 4string April 11, 2011 at 8:35 AM #

    I know I’m coming late to the game, but TL was a good casting for pre-werewolf Jacob, but while I admire the effort he put into bulking up, post-transformation Jake needed to be a Daniel Cudmore sized actor. Don’t even get me started on the horrible miscasting of Bella with Kristen. Ashley auditioned for Bella and would have made a way, way better one though I do love her as Alice. Book Bella was not an emo doom and gloom person with no facial expressions. In the first book, Bella tells Edward about being unable to hide what she really thinks because it’s always written all over her face. lol I don’t know what CH was on when she cast her though I think she did well with the other castings. Kristen turned Bella into herself instead of working with the source material and becoming the character. Isn’t that was an *actor* is supposed to do? Nikki has talked about how she read and reread Eclipse to get inside Rosalie’s head.

    Regarding ‘chemistry,’ there is none. It was Catherine trying to hype up her movie so she invented some non-existent chemistry between the leads.

    I don’t blame Stephenie for becoming a producer with BD. She probably saw how Summit screwed up so much of her books. I also got the vibe she wasn’t pleased with Kristen as Bella. In the Twilight commentary/interviews, she talks about K bringing a lot of experience to the movie, but struggles to say much else. I’ve noticed that with Kellan as well in Eclipse interviews. It’s no secret that Kellan and Billy Burke are not fans of Kristen and it’s rumored that Peter isn’t a fan of hers either. It’s bad when some of the most amiable-seeming cast members don’t like you.

    • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 12:27 PM #

      Hi 4Strings!

      If you want to hear SM talk about K like she’s god, listen to the Eclipse commentary between Godfrey and Meyer. Its sickening. Honestly, I don’t think anyone on the set except maybe Nikki is a fan of hers, IMO.

      • 4string April 11, 2011 at 2:51 PM #

        I actually don’t think Nikki likes her much anymore. They seemed to have a falling out after NM filming. Rumor is that K was feeding bad rumors about Nikki to the tabs. That really surprises me about SM. I can’t imagine SM being that big of a fan of Stew’s given K’s surly attitude, flipping off cameras, drug use, potty mouth and the butchering of her character.

        • Littlebells April 11, 2011 at 3:05 PM #

          THIS!!
          I love you girls. So much.
          And to think I felt I was the only one who had these exact thoughts and emotions for the longest time……

        • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 4:42 PM #

          4Strings,

          IMO, and this is only from watching footage of them together N and K were more than “friends”. IMO, they were told to stop because all the sudden you don’t see N and K together at all anymore. Also I heard a rumor that N was mad at K because K “liked” Dakota (who just happens to be a minor. The things one can get away with in HW. Its sickening.) I didn’t know that K was feeding bad rumors about Nikki to the tabs. All I know about her is that after she finished with K she dated Paris Latsis for a while.

          Did you know that Godfrey and SM wanted to replace Rob with Andy Sandberg but not replace K? I lost all respect for SM when I found that out.

          LittleBells,

          You are not alone. Trust me. 🙂

          • 4string April 11, 2011 at 5:47 PM #

            AN

            • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 5:52 PM #

              4string,

              What does AN mean, please?

            • 4string April 11, 2011 at 5:53 PM #

              Oops. Puter probs. Andy Samberg? Were they joking? On what planet would AS be Edward-like? I heard that Stew was on the verge of being fired but Godfrey saved her job.

              • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 5:57 PM #

                I heard that too. If you listen to the Eclipse commentary. Godfrey and Meyer were talking about it and i’m paraphrasing but Godfrey said something like “I’d like to try another Edward maybe Andy Samberg. Meyer then replied “I’m all for it.” Then she said “No, I don’t want to get killed.”

                • Littlebells April 11, 2011 at 6:28 PM #

                  Please tell me they were joking? Now I can see AS doing an SNL video playing Edward, but for reals? In the actual movies?? My brain is short circuiting….

                  • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 7:28 PM #

                    LB,

                    It did not sound to me like they were joking. Maybe I can find it on youtube. Let me look.

                    • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 7:35 PM #

                      LB,

                      I couldn’t find it on YT but I found R and K commentary though. They were very boring, IMO.

                    • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 7:39 PM #

                      LB,

                      I found some of it on Robstenation.

                      http://robstenation.blogspot.com/2010/11/eclipse-dvd-commentary-with-wyck.html

                    • Littlebells April 11, 2011 at 7:49 PM #

                      So do you think they were totally taking a dig at Rob? Do you think they were saying someone like Andy would have been better?

                      Wow. Wow. I will take a listen at the link. I still have not bought Eclipse yet. Someday…..maybe.

                    • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 8:01 PM #

                      It was a total dig at Rob but its not an audio link. The link I gave you was a link you can read and only had Wyck saying he wanted to replace Rob with AS.

                    • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 8:03 PM #

                      All this just goes to show how professional Rob is. They may have been joking about it but why joke about something like that? Its not funny.

                    • Littlebells April 11, 2011 at 8:29 PM #

                      Rob, run far, far away from the saga and never look back. Love, Me 🙂

                    • Parisienne April 11, 2011 at 8:32 PM #

                      LOL. I think we all feel that way. 🙂

    • Open Book April 12, 2011 at 2:36 PM #

      4strings,

      Better late than never. Great post!

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